Your comments about Hoffman are similar to those you will hear said about O'Donnell at the Giants. World class back rowers who get through a mountain of work. If I can get my claret and gold goggles off tonight it will be a pleasure to watch Hoffman play.

As just a winger then yes Dallas and Carney are both quality but Pat offers his kicking and has much better defence than Dallas or Carney. He can also play full-back much better than either of those two could and he is alot stronger and scores a lot of tries those two never could.

Pat was awesome last season and nobody was more consistant so he deserved MOS, if it was on ability alone then Lockers or Sam would have taken it.

that's why!!

As I said before IMO Barrett was class in NRL and had the skills but some days you didnl;t even notice he was on the pitch. I honestly think he chose when he wanted to play and unfortunately for us he didn't have enough want and passion to play for Wigan.

Faz was Wigan through and through AND had the talent.

Best/Greatest/Legend to EVER play for Wigan in ascending order....

1.Ellery Hanley
2.Ellery Hanley
3.Ellery Hanley
4.Ellery Hanley
5.Ellery Hanley
6.Ellery Hanley
7.Ellery Hanley
8.Ellery Hanley
9.Ellery Hanley
10.Ellery Hanley

NOBODY even comes close to the greatest EVER rugby player to walk this planet!!

Lockers should have got MOS in my opinion. Carney scored many a try that Richards couldn't have scored. Leeds in the playoffs? Nothing wrong with Dallas' defence at all. I also don't really like Pat at fullback. Defensively good but offers nothing in attack that a modern fullback, Tomkins, Roberts, Phelps, Greenshields, Slater, Minichello...., should offer.

it sounds like I don't rate him but I really do think he's a good winger but apart from his goal kicking I don't think we're missing him that much. I mentioned this when a thread was started by Hogan regarding a new contract for him. I'd love him to stay but I get the impression that some on here would pay him the earth to sign on again.

you missed out Ronnie Braithwaite.

I understand your point, some see him as a special player, some see him as a very very good winger.

I think we missed his defence in the WCC he is never out of position, he is never lazy with his line speed which many wingers are guilty of.

Not in the same league as Boston or Murphy.

Rogusey was you going through your wacky baccy stage during the 80`s and early 90`s?

My biggest rugby related disappointment. The fact that I never got see Boston play.

I disagree as well... infact your comment puts into question anything you say as its so ridiculous.