Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying about Stats, the penalties are there, but there's no scale showing how stupid they where or how much they cost us. Stat's just don't represent a players performance well enough on their own.

As for whether Coley has been better than Fielden or not, it's nothing more than my opinion based on what I've seen.

Stats don't tell you everything particularly with front rowers.

Coley is one of the very few Wigan players who actually intimmidates opposition forwards.

I don't think Fielden holds that fear factor anymore.

Watching the Wire game when Wire lost the ball early door and Fielden had that crazed look on his face I thought - hang on, we might have the old fiery Fielden back here.

Then he got smashed around for the rest of the match.

Think we have all seen that look a few times over the years!

What excites me about the signing of Jeff Lima is that he will intimidate the opposition and anyone who has played the game will recognise how important that is to any team.

The thought of Coley and Lima in the Wigan pack next season is mouth watering for Wigan fans but i doubt that opposition players will be looking forward to facing them.

Lima will bring that fear factor to the Wigan side that we had when Pongia was with us.

This is no slur on Fielden who is still a very hard working player.

Add in Hock and JT and Wigan will certainly not be a pack that gets bullied.

I agree, particularly when you add Ryan Hoffman to the list too.

My only worry is now retention.

Its important to keep Andy Coley at Wigan for another year and if possible Fielden too.

Lima completes our front row, no questions.

The agression he will bring to the team will allow Fielden to do what he does best: make yards and make tackles, and he won't have to 'lead' the pack or worry about 'scaring' the opposition's forwards.

As a result of this, us fans won't be looking for that from Fielden, so a lot of the pressure will be off him, and hopefully he can really perform on a consistent basis.

I'm looking forward to the back end of next year when Lima, Hock, Hoffman and Joel can start smashing the opposition around the field, and Fielden can quietly get on with being the hard working prop forward he is.

Thats crazy.

Ok if you think Fielden has been better than Coley, everyone can have an opinion but i can't see how you can say by a long way?

IMO Coley is a better player than Fielden in every aspect of their games.

Fielden has tackled better than Coley and thats about it. Coley has been better in most departments imo.

Fieldens game will not improve no matter who he plays with, hes about workrate these days as he has lost any legitimate claim to being an "enforcer". Hes never going to be a bad player the question should be, is he good enough to risk potentially losing players like Prescott, OCarroll, Davies etc I would argue no.