I recall somebody suggesting that all players that have come through a club's academy and are eligible to play for GB should not be counted on the cap at all. It would certainly enourage all clubs to "grow their own"

That would be going too far, I think that we should have reductions for players who come through the clubs academy but not removing them from the cap all together. I think everybody recognises that clubs should be rewarded and encouraged to produce youth.

Just a quick question.

If the CAP had been raised with inflation since its inception. does anyone know what its current amount would be?

I would do the sums myself only i am thick with 5 f's

Quote tugglesf78="tugglesf78"Just a quick question. If the CAP had been raised with inflation since its inception. does anyone know what its current amount would be? I would do the sums myself only i am thick with 5 f's'" OK. Assuming a starting point of £1.65m (I believe this is the "full" amount under the cap), and taking it from what I believe to be the SC's inception in 2001, the following are the annual inflation rates for the proceeding years (source safalra.com/other/historical-uk- ... conversion): 2001 - 1.8% 2002 - 1.7% 2003 - 2.9% 2004 - 3.0% 2005 - 2.8% 2006 - 3.2% 2007 - 4.3% 2008 - 4.0% 2009 - -0.5% (leaving cap unchanged) So, again assuming £1.65m starting point, plus an annual raise at the end of each year, based on the previous year's inflation figure, these are my calculations: 2001 - 1,650,000 2002 - 1,679,700 2003 - 1,708,255 2004 - 1,757,794 2005 - 1,810,528 2006 - 1,861,223 2007 - 1,920,782 2008 - 2,003,376 2009 - 2,083,511 2010 - 2,083,511 (Remains unchanged, due to small negative economic growth in 2009 fiscal year) I'm sure that somebody will come up with different figures, but by my reckoning, accounting SOLELY for inflation (which is the bare minimum that should be expected IMO), the cap should be just short of £2.1m by now. Feel free to tear my figures apart though.

Quote tugglesf78="tugglesf78"Just a quick question. If the CAP had been raised with inflation since its inception. does anyone know what its current amount would be? I would do the sums myself only i am thick with 5 f's'" OK. Assuming a starting point of £1.65m (I believe this is the "full" amount under the cap), and taking it from what I believe to be the SC's inception in 2001, the following are the annual inflation rates for the proceeding years (source safalra.com/other/historical-uk- ... conversion): 2001 - 1.8% 2002 - 1.7% 2003 - 2.9% 2004 - 3.0% 2005 - 2.8% 2006 - 3.2% 2007 - 4.3% 2008 - 4.0% 2009 - -0.5% (leaving cap unchanged) So, again assuming £1.65m starting point, plus an annual raise at the end of each year, based on the previous year's inflation figure, these are my calculations: 2001 - 1,650,000 2002 - 1,679,700 2003 - 1,708,255 2004 - 1,757,794 2005 - 1,810,528 2006 - 1,861,223 2007 - 1,920,782 2008 - 2,003,376 2009 - 2,083,511 2010 - 2,083,511 (Remains unchanged, due to small negative economic growth in 2009 fiscal year) I'm sure that somebody will come up with different figures, but by my reckoning, accounting SOLELY for inflation (which is the bare minimum that should be expected IMO), the cap should be just short of £2.1m by now. Feel free to tear my figures apart though.

Quote Pie Eyed="Pie Eyed"OK. Assuming a starting point of £1.65m (I believe this is the "full" amount under the cap), and taking it from what I believe to be the SC's inception in 2001, the following are the annual inflation rates for the proceeding years (source safalra.com/other/historical-uk- ... conversion): 2001 - 1.8% 2002 - 1.7% 2003 - 2.9% 2004 - 3.0% 2005 - 2.8% 2006 - 3.2% 2007 - 4.3% 2008 - 4.0% 2009 - -0.5% (leaving cap unchanged) So, again assuming £1.65m starting point, plus an annual raise at the end of each year, based on the previous year's inflation figure, these are my calculations: 2001 - 1,650,000 2002 - 1,679,700 2003 - 1,708,255 2004 - 1,757,794 2005 - 1,810,528 2006 - 1,861,223 2007 - 1,920,782 2008 - 2,003,376 2009 - 2,083,511 2010 - 2,083,511 (Remains unchanged, due to small negative economic growth in 2009 fiscal year) I'm sure that somebody will come up with different figures, but by my reckoning, accounting SOLELY for inflation (which is the bare minimum that should be expected IMO), the cap should be just short of £2.1m by now. Feel free to tear my figures apart though. '" Thank you very much. These figures are now gospel as far as i am concerned and i will be using them in all my pub based, Anti salary cap rantings from now on! Thank you sir

Quote Pie Eyed="Pie Eyed"OK. Assuming a starting point of £1.65m (I believe this is the "full" amount under the cap), and taking it from what I believe to be the SC's inception in 2001, the following are the annual inflation rates for the proceeding years (source safalra.com/other/historical-uk- ... conversion): 2001 - 1.8% 2002 - 1.7% 2003 - 2.9% 2004 - 3.0% 2005 - 2.8% 2006 - 3.2% 2007 - 4.3% 2008 - 4.0% 2009 - -0.5% (leaving cap unchanged) So, again assuming £1.65m starting point, plus an annual raise at the end of each year, based on the previous year's inflation figure, these are my calculations: 2001 - 1,650,000 2002 - 1,679,700 2003 - 1,708,255 2004 - 1,757,794 2005 - 1,810,528 2006 - 1,861,223 2007 - 1,920,782 2008 - 2,003,376 2009 - 2,083,511 2010 - 2,083,511 (Remains unchanged, due to small negative economic growth in 2009 fiscal year) I'm sure that somebody will come up with different figures, but by my reckoning, accounting SOLELY for inflation (which is the bare minimum that should be expected IMO), the cap should be just short of £2.1m by now. Feel free to tear my figures apart though. '" Thank you very much. These figures are now gospel as far as i am concerned and i will be using them in all my pub based, Anti salary cap rantings from now on! Thank you sir

Oh cr@p.

I'm being quoted? ;p

Why is it going too far? Take any player that has been 'home produced' by the club off the cap completely. Reduce the amount you're able to spend on 'imported' players from both this country and abroad to a much lesser amount than the current cap, or even as a percentage of turnover. That would give the results the RFL is supposedly seeking with the cap i.e. preventing clubs from going bust and encouraging the development of home grown players.

Of course we know this isn't the real reason for the cap. The 50% safeguard was abolished several years ago, so this is no longer a function of the cap, and the RFL has year in, year out failed to implement any real changes to force teams to produce their own youngsters. They've paid lip service to it by reducing quotas etc. but the real answer is glaringly obvious as stated above. The real reason for the cap is to bring all teams down to the lowest common denominator fuelled by the self interest of the smaller clubs. I find it quite sad really that the teams that have been dictating policy are likely to be among the first to lose their franchises. If ever there was a case of the tail wagging the dog....

That's no longer true to be fair. The whole home and federation grown player restrictions being gradually implimented are the best thing to happen in this sport for a long time imo.

Agreed, although they still don't go far enough, IMO. I'd like to see the overseas quota come down to 3.

Quote Geoff="Geoff"Agreed, although they still don't go far enough, IMO. I'd like to see the overseas quota come down to 3.'" I'd definitely like to see it reduced. Melbourne salary cap breach was worst than thought. www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... ugbyleague www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... public_rss

Quote Geoff="Geoff"Agreed, although they still don't go far enough, IMO. I'd like to see the overseas quota come down to 3.'" I'd definitely like to see it reduced. Melbourne salary cap breach was worst than thought. www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... ugbyleague www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... public_rss