For me the Superleague refs dont know how to manage the NRL style play Wigan/Huddersfield have adopted. This tends to lead to lots of penalties or a passive attitude in the first half, then penalties for the opposition or an over worked whisle in the 2nd half to make it look on paper an evenly refereed match. The RFL need to get a grip.

"Controlling" is the word I think your looking for!

Time the PTB's, our defence takes no longer than any others.

Agreed - i've never been a big fan of quick play the balls. IMO players should have to fight to get to their feet quickly and not rely on a silly rule that allows them to regain their feet quickly. A slower play the ball will mean that players will have to use their heads more and thus develop their skills for unlocking defences something that has been far too easy due to a quick play the ball.

Saints have had 3 men in the tackle and were the first to have wrestling training and have controlling tactics in place for alot longer than we have, years ago some of us pointed it out but now were doing it its against the spirit of the game? I suppose voluntry tackles, kicking balls on the pitch to stop the game so they can get the line set and offshore payments are just being clever and in order then.

I fully agree, scooting was one of the worst styles of rugby around, look where is got us with Higham/Godwin as hookers.