ha ha ha ha thats the best joke on any forum, nice one should be a stand up commiedian

Is That one of these??

I can't remember who said it but comparing Sinfield to O'Loughlin is not easy - however here is my attempt.


[uKevin Sinfield[/u

Okay, he's the captain of arguably the best team in the SL era - you can't be a bad player to have this status, and any die-hard Lockers fan must admit this. In SL some of the things he comes up with are spectacular (40metre passes, 40/20 kicks from impossible positions), these actions spark his team into life from cardiac arrest sometimes, without Sinfield Leeds often look a shadow of the team they are.

Sinfield as an international, for whatever reason he has not and quite possibly will not repeat his SL reputation against the likes of Australia and New Zealand. Is it the players he's playing with? Maybe but I doubt it. The opposition is key to the reason.

NRL defense is based around speed of the line moving up, SL yes can be quick in that respect but more often than not the line is slow to move, this gives Sinfield (and many other players) more room to make things happen - change to international and suddenly instead of say 6metres to do something, Sinfield has 3 metres.

Sinfield has never really struck me as a player with lots of attacking capabilities - his passes and 40/20 kicks when done look great but he doesn't strike me as the kind of organisational player who organises his team, run's the lines to break defenses, puts big tackles in - this brings me onto O'Loughlin.

[uSean O'Loughlin[/u

Captain of arguably the greatest name in world RL - again you can't be a bad player to achieve this. Wigan are [ucurrently[/u a mid-table team, whether Wigan fan's would admit that or not, its true. However, we have reached 5 semi-finals with O'Loughlin as captain. Now some people would credit the semi-final appearences to other players - aka Barrett when he was here - but without leadership, which was clearly lacking in the coaching department, how can any team reach a semi-final?

How can any team go up to Leeds and beat them convincingly? How can any team come back from 30-0 down away at Bradford to win 31-30? Answer - no team.

O'Loughlin is a great all round player, in attack he's always looking for work and always very willing to do the hard graft and make the line breaking run's. He run's his blood to water even if he is played out of position, you could play him on the wing and he'd give nothing less than 100% (and I'm sure that is the same with Sinfield). He is not spectacular, nor is he the greatest ever, he simply does his job effectively for his team.

Defensively, run straight at him and you're in trouble, he can make some terrific tackles and really get his team up for the fight to win.

Internationally, I'd say he hasn't reached the heights (playing wise) he has at club level, then again not many have (with the exception of Morley, Fielden, Farrell etc) but he always put's in good performances.

Both Sinfield and O'Loughlin are two very different players, both the same position but they play their game differently, comparing the two not easy to do because of this.

quite a good review of the 2 players there,but you missed the most important part off regarding lockers
injured yet again !

sorry for deleting your review well written but didn't want to fill pages on quote

I take it you found it frustrating that Sinfield didn't take a grip of the game as I would expect him to do, we are lacking a loose forward to take this leader role since Hanley retired from the GB squad at the moment I don't see anybody yet to replace Sinfield

Sinfield again looked a bad of nerves at international level and didn't stamp his authority on a game bar a 10 minute spell just after halftime.

He like many others will have to step their games up miles of we're not to be totally embarrassed next week. He dithers on the ball too long at this level and i really worry about his safety next week.

He needs to start being more decisive in his decision making.

both are hard working loose forwards. however sinfield puts in 40 pitter patter tackles a game but sean puts in tackles that hurt. Sinfield has a better kicking game but we need a loose that will stick it to the aussies. the fact we need a loose to compensate for the kicking game of our halves shows what a poor state the british game is in.

You've hit the nail on the head with the last sentence, it's the reason why DJ is a better first choice lock than Gallen for Aus as Lockyer and Thurston are doing their job properly, and even then they still have Cam Smith to contribute as well.

Infact it's a huge general difference in the game over there and here. Hookers add the extra kicking on the whole, whereas so many of ours are scooters

Just because its a different team with a different stle of play. For a starter most of the things I named where leadership qualitys, making decisions in games etc. Hopefully out best 6 and 7 in the country should be able to make these desicions, while a club may struggle, because they can't pick the "elite" players.

Secondly its a different style of game for me. I'd rather have a loose than hits a hole, tackles hard and can also throw that pass when he needs too. The first two arn't Sinfields best qualities.

Has anybody from the World Hide & Seek Championships found Sinfield yet ?

Sinfield will be involved because Smith will want a kicker.

TBH he was poor, but he isn't the problem. There are several others ahead of him in the need to be dropped queue.