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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"As I said in another thread, I don't get any pleasure seeing any poster backed so publicly into an embarrassing corner, though I think he did a lot of the backing himself.
His extreme and ill-considered rudeness, and his towering confidence that IL would get it wrong, had put clear blue water between himself and other IL skeptics like BK and AJ, who most of the time have maintained an honest level of fair-minded criticism (despite my frequent arguments with them
). Whether or not MM turns out to be a success, I can't think that there's any way back for the poster in question in the near future - as the current Wigan set-up must now be anathema to him, and for him to claim otherwise would be gross hypocrisy.'"
I just hope this person your talking about comes back then and explains himself.
Maybe the poster in question has been busy working all week rather than hanging around a RL message board all day/every day shooting the 'fat' like mad over everything a certain person does?
Just a thought....
For what its worth, dont get ahead of yourself Cruncher id hate you to end up disappointed. Whilst MM and Wane sounds like a very good combination things dont always work out that way and talk is very cheap. Both of them are untried at this level and whilst i hope they get us to a final next year and im 100% behind them both i would hate for them to undo all the hard work that has been done.
Until weve seen some massive improvement on the field then i wouldnt get your hopes up too much over a couple of interviews.
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"Ainscough, Gallery, Web-Ellis stop giggling at the back and report to the headmasters office ...."
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| Quote Red Hot Jalapeno="Red Hot Jalapeno"
For what its worth, dont get ahead of yourself Cruncher id hate you to end up disappointed. Whilst MM and Wane sounds like a very good combination things dont always work out that way and talk is very cheap. Both of them are untried at this level and whilst i hope they get us to a final next year and im 100% behind them both i would hate for them to undo all the hard work that has been done. '"
The bit in bold sums up Nobles tenure here to a tee.
You are right though talking a good talk does not equal guaranteed success but the way they speak is different to Noble in a significant way IMO. Hard to put a finger on but Noble always seemed to adopt the attitude of it will be all right on the night when things went wrong but Wane and Maguire's comments suggest to me that don't think it will be unless you are getting right long before then.
As to undoing all the good work that has been done what are you referring to? The only trophy we won this year was by a side coached by Wane. The first teams performance showed little evidence of good work. They looked off the pace fitness wise and so on - all the usual criticisms suggest there was little good work.
If you are referring to stuff outside the first team then if there is any why would they undo it?
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| Quote Red Hot Jalapeno="Red Hot Jalapeno"I just hope this person your talking about comes back then and explains himself.
Maybe the poster in question has been busy working all week rather than hanging around a RL message board all day/every day shooting the 'fat' like mad over everything a certain person does?
Just a thought....
For what its worth, dont get ahead of yourself Cruncher id hate you to end up disappointed. Whilst MM and Wane sounds like a very good combination things dont always work out that way and talk is very cheap. Both of them are untried at this level and whilst i hope they get us to a final next year and im 100% behind them both i would hate for them to undo all the hard work that has been done.
Until weve seen some massive improvement on the field then i wouldnt get your hopes up too much over a couple of interviews.'"
Cool. That's a fiver I'm owed. You weren't banned. You just ran.
In the meantime, here's a thought for you ...
Being polite, or at least civil, will cost you nothing.
Being idiotically rude could cost you an awful lot.
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"Cool. That's a fiver I'm owed. You weren't banned. You just ran.
In the meantime, here's a thought for you ...
Being polite, or at least civil, will cost you nothing.
Being idiotically rude could cost you an awful lot.'"
Dont patronise me,just who the hell do you think you are at all?
OMG you have a cheek! It is such a pity you dont practise what you preach.
Calling anybody who does not agree with you a prat and stupid is not being rude is it not?
I am 100% sure you have a screw loose or something. First you claim some kind of glory because IL has appointed 2 unknowns! Then you try to say i ran. From where or who did i run Cruncher when i am here?
If you want to carry this on any further then do it by PM.
I will bookmark this page and in a years time we can see if your constant 'shooting the fat' over IL was really worth it.
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| Quote Red Hot Jalapeno="Red Hot Jalapeno"Dont patronise me,just who the hell do you think you are at all?
OMG you have a cheek! It is such a pity you dont practise what you preach.
Calling anybody who does not agree with you a prat and stupid is not being rude is it not?
I am 100% sure you have a screw loose or something. First you claim some kind of glory because IL has appointed 2 unknowns! Then you try to say i ran. From where or who did i run Cruncher when i am here?
If you want to carry this on any further then do it by PM.
I will bookmark this page and in a years time we can see if your constant 'shooting the fat' over IL was really worth it.'"
We'll have a better idea in a year. But frankly, it's typical of you that you'll only give the 'two unknowns' (  ) one season to prove themselves. If you were fair, you'd give them as long as IL gave Brian Noble - three and a half years. What's that you were saying about practising what you preach?
However, the general point is taken. There's no reason to keep arguing about this. Noble has gone and, for the moment at least, and thank God for it, Ian Lenagan has managed to inject some optimism into the club. Time will tell whether those who are determined to look on the glum side are vindicated.
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"We'll have a better idea in a year. But frankly, it's typical of you that you'll only give the 'two unknowns' (
) one season to prove themselves. If you were fair, you'd give them as long as IL gave Brian Noble - three and a half years. What's that you were saying about practising what you preach?'"
Although one season to judge would be harsh three and a half is too generous. Noble took over a club at rock bottom, MM is inheriting a much healthier club both on and off the field.
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| I get the feeling that this thread is going to disappear up someone's backside as has sadly happened with many other threads.
It's an internet forum lads and lasses. If you shout it makes no difference 
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| Quote Woody_woody="Woody_woody"Although one season to judge would be harsh three and a half is too generous. Noble took over a club at rock bottom, MM is inheriting a much healthier club both on and off the field.'"
So did Ian Lenagan. But that hasn't stopped other people passing extremely harsh judgements on him.
As I said before, only time will settle this argument. But anyone coming on here shouting triumphantly if Wigan don't win anything next season will get short shrift from me. As you say, that would be way too soon.
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| Quote Red Hot Jalapeno="Red Hot Jalapeno"2 unknowns!
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So the assistant ooach at the NRL grand finalists who has een openly accredited with most of their attacking plays, as well as having sole charge of the team for a significant portion of the season is an 'unknown'? As for a player that graced your own, all-conquering team for over a decade and then went on to coach through the grades, taking the resreve side on a year-long, unbeaten run to eventual Grand Final Winners this year....
If you seriously don't know who they are I suggest you're on the wrong forum! I'm sure someone will post a link to the Latics website...maybe you'll be more at home there! 
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| Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"So the assistant ooach at the NRL grand finalists who has een openly accredited with most of their attacking plays, as well as having sole charge of the team for a significant portion of the season is an 'unknown'? As for a player that graced your own, all-conquering team for over a decade and then went on to coach through the grades, taking the resreve side on a year-long, unbeaten run to eventual Grand Final Winners this year....
If you seriously don't know who they are I suggest you're on the wrong forum! I'm sure someone will post a link to the Latics website...maybe you'll be more at home there!
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2 unknowns as in first grade/head coach coaching terms.
It is fair to say that these two are both unknown quantitys when it comes to head and assistant coach. This is new territory for both of them or are you trying to say they are both tried and tested?
Is it really so hard to understand such a simple thing?
As for Latics i have no idea why you bring them up as i hate football.
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