Phelps has been a stand out player this season and I have no doubt he will continue to improve. I do agree fielden pryce, goulding and Amos need to step up and show what they are worth.

Sorry, perhaps I'm just getting impatient. How long do we wait for Vievers and Mellor and the like to develop and reach their peak? 5 years? 10 years?

The other problem is we haven't had any top quality signings since Barrett. This is what we are crying out for. At the minute we have some honest good Wiganers and in the main avergae Aussies. For these Wiganers to develop they need some experienced world class winners around them otherwise they will just get into the habit of losing.

I think you're being overly pessimistic if you think Vievers, Mellor, Thornley, Farrel etc are 5 years away.

And as for top quality signings, you can't sign somebody who's not availalbe. And to be brutally honest some of the signings made by other teams (just like we've done before) from the NRL are very average.

If SL wants to improve, and if we all genuinely want a strong England team that's going to seriously compete with Australia, then i'm afraid it's the only way to do it, which is exactly what IL seems to think as well.

I honsetly don't see who we're genuinely guttingly missing out on.

The only player who has moved from one SL that I would have desperately liked is Sam Burgess, but he was only ever going to go to the NRL (and fair play to the lad).

I don't feel there's been any world beaters that we've missed out on, and especially none that I would have in place of being able to have an enormous amount of salary cap to play with in 2011.

just my $0.02

Is our team as good as Leeds? of course it's not.

Is it as bad (forget performances, i mean in raw potential) as some make out? again of course it's not.

Now is the perfect time for a new coach, new attitudes, new methods, and have a chance to take stock and build.

And yeah people might be tired of waiting, but i'd trade a 1 off CC win or a 1 off GF win, for the ability to challenge for both year in year out.

I aree but take phelps and coley off

Just curious on who people feel we've really missed the boat on for next year?