Riddell & Sam arnt the problem.... Our forwards where second best all match... We arnt going to win anything with a pack like that...

This is a very good point, if McIlorum had been able to play, we wouldnt have had to make more positional changes than Long has hot baths. Didnt think Tomkins played poorly, the commitment and passion was definitely there, the execution just didn't always happen.

Sam didn't play well but it can't all be left to a twenty year old, he needs help.

Tommy isn't good enough at 7 and Riddell was disapointing yesterday. McIllorum failing a fitness test upset our interchange, but I thought we managed okay.

It all comes back to buying Riddell and not a 7 with Tommy moving to 9, but we have him for another 2 years, so we might as well get used to it.

I've seen your posts on a range of topics after last night's game, but by far, this is the most idiotic (and that's against some tough competition).

A lot of what Tomkins did last night didn't come off but to say he offered us zip is nonsense.

No, he doesn't have Smith's cut-out passes and yes that's what we needed last night. But what he also doesn't have is Smith's powder-puff defence that would have seen Saints score another 4 tries down that right-hand side.

Its strange saying Sam had a poor game, although he wasnt at his majestic best, he wan't playing ST Peters 1st Year. He had a hand in a couple of decent things. The Kick for the 1st try, he didnt let us down in defence once and he was targeted all game, left out to dry several times due to poor support play, a couple of good positional kicks. He will learn from his first full season lets not expect to much too soon.

Hey don't get me wrong. I rate ST very very highly. For the fate of our club to be essentially left in the hands of a 20 year old "rookie" says a lot about our recruitment imo.

I also agree that TL is a 9, I have said this for months (Wigans best 9 too imo).

Calm down

He didn't.

I think even Rogues will agree that Eastmond won the battle when it mattered last night. Hopefully the fstart of a great battle between the two of them, but if the rumours are true we may not see these two young gifted individuals go up against each other many more times, which will be sad.

Thought the other Tomkins was your best player last night.

Did eastmond play ? or was it just me who thought that?

Thought Eastmond had a good first quarter but after that I never noticed him. Hes a class act but does tend to go missing. For all his faults tonight Tomkins did not go missing he tried his all it just did not come off for him. With experience he will learn alot from tonights game, they both will.