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Quote: Babyface Finlayson "Get of your high horse Pal, Nobles FAILED at Wigan, poor regular seasons and semi final chokers, Lenegan (Chairman) has seen exactly what most fans have seen and it isnt good enough and is trying to correct this, a new coach with modern techniques would improve our team more than any new signing could.'"



Failed ?????

please explain your version of failed !

We have been 80 mins away from the grand final the last two seasons ( beaten by the winners on both occasions)
this from a team heading into national league one !!!

but maybe failure in your eyes means we have not beaten every other tam to a pulp ??

even in the glory years we did not win every thing at a canter and at times it was more than an arm wrestle

maybe hindsight only woirks if you gloss over the things that don'tfit into the arguments against the current coach /players

in there day edwards and farrel got more thanb there share of flak from the "fans"

yet now they are boasted as the be all and end all of wigans history now that is IRONIC

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Quote: Clearwing "Don't know if Long can be taken seriously, but if this is true it rather confirms noble's perceived mistrust of young talent.'"


Explain.

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Quote: AJ "So is reaching semi finals not challenging for trophies? Just out of interest, because I want to bare that in mind for when the new coach takes over.'"


I said [ireally[/i be challenging for trophies. To do that IMO you have to challenge from a position of strength not be doing so on a wing and a prayer hoping you are not too shattered due to starting from 6th.

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Quote: Clearwing "news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/st_helens/8286350.stm

Don't know if Long can be taken seriously, but if this is true it rather confirms noble's perceived mistrust of young talent.'"


I've not read that article, and frankly I can't be bothered reading it. But there's a generally perceived wisdom that it's best not to take seriously anything Sean Long says.

Skilled player or not, his antics (in very recent times, not just when he was a kid) have brought embarrassment to the game as a whole. That's not something you can say Brian Noble has ever done.

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Quote: AJ "Explain.'"


icon_surprised.gifops: Sorry - for some reason I thought that Noble was involved in the approach. The article doesn't say this.

Ignore me.

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Quote: AJ "Dave,

You clearly didnt read my post then, ill try again. All coaches do that in all sports. I will list some examples

Like I said you didn't read my post properly.

I didn't think I'd have to spell it out line by line but what I said wasWith a few exceptions if a player comes in for an injured or suspended player then regardless of his age if he does well he should keep his place

Now if we had a world class player like Rooney injured and getting back fit then he would be one of the exceptions but the fact of the matter is we don't have many such players in our team do we?

How may players in RL terms do we have who are comparable to him or Ronaldo?

By the very nature of the salary cap we have some good players in the 1st 17 and some squad players. The squad players should earn their place back if their replacement has done well.

Noble treats them all as if they are Ronaldo and so therefore your analogy is pants icon_wink.gif

Also you seem to ignoring the point about competition for places. If your stance is correct and all first 17 team players are shoe in's to walk right back into the side when fit (which is the only way your post can be taken) there is none.

Dave

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