I'm maybe a bit harsh on Piggy. His wrist was knackered on Saturday and he came back on and fronted up. Not many hookers do or need to do the full 80 in SL either these days.

If Feka gets any more unfit for next season he'll be a complete liability. If other teams watch Saturday's game back he's in for trouble. Make him tackle, pile in when he runs and he's shot.

Bring back Chris Butler and get him running up Rivington Pike!

But this is exactly the conditioners responsibility, they have to get the best out of each player in the time they have together, if he is not putting it in in sessions then something must be done about it by the conditioner.

I do worry about all this talk from Wigan of Feka's "fitness" on Saturday it was not his fitness that let him down, it was his conditioning or lack of it, his agility and lateral movement is non existant, so while he may be able to run for further without blowing is anyone actually looking into improving his rugby specific conditioning or are we looking to turn him into the worlds biggest marathon runner by working on his fitness?

I disagree - the conditioner tells him what to do but if he doesn't do it - it's up to the coach to drop him until he does IMO.

The coach is the boss at the end of the day and if he keeps picking him despite him ignoring the conditioner, then he completely undermines the conditioner and makes his job impossible.

Psst ... don't tell everyone, but there's a big difference between playing badly and not making an effort to get fit or into athletic condition.

Every contract is different, but in most cases if an employee regularly renders himself - either by action or inaction - unable to perform his job, then he's on very thin ice (especially if his employer is looking for a reason to get rid of him, like, for example, if he's costing an awful lot of money!!!).

A professional athlete needs to be athletic. Or he's no bloody use to whoever's paying him.

It's not difficult when you think about it. It's a bit like a doctor who doesn't know anything about medicine. Or a rocket scientist who can't be d learning rocket science.

Simple enough for you?

But unless he lied about his qualifications in getting the job, which Feka clearly didn't (but a doctor or rocket scientist clearly would have to) then it's your own fault for hiring him.

He can perform his job. He's just sh*te at it, but then he was already overweight when you signed him so not sure what your point is.

He would never be in breach of contract for not being at his physical peak.

Sadly we could have the same shortcomings for any given player highlighted each week by opponents but they will still get picked.

Noble has shown repeatedly that he will not drop anyone from the team barring an injury unless that player is 21 or younger in which case he will instantly replace them when someone older is available. That is just one reason why we need a new coach.

Spot on - it's Feka's job to be fit and he's nowhere near that at the moment. Pryce as well.

I'm not saying I want an 80 minute Feka, but he's got to do more than he does at the moment.

Feka at the moment is an opposition coaches dream. They know when he will be coming on the field as the subs are done by the clock. When he gets you on the front foot it is fantastic to watch but when he is defending its painful. Run straight at him and its OK, step dart or scoot and yards are there to be made. It was an embarrassment to watch Morley spotting Feka in the defencive line on Sat. They all new the plan, spot and dart at/around him. To which MM did very well. You would normally associate the likes of Tomkins to be picked out. Spotting players in the line is nothing new, but spotting a prop???

From my experience the coach should and does stay well out of the conditioning coaches way as they simply do not have the knowledge to contribute other than advice him on where they want to work on an individual player.

A coach is a coach and a Conditioning Coach is responsible for the condition of the players, while i agree ultimatley the technical coach has the final say on if a player is selected of not, all coaches are responsible for brining the best out of there players, if a coach is unable to motivate a player then it is as much the coaches failing if not more so than the players who are in effect the student.

Each player is different and should be treated as such and it is up to a coach to use his coach education, including psychology to find what angle he needs to get an athlete performing in the gym.

I have to say although personally not working with Pryce I was at Gloucester when he was there and got to observe his training and conditioning on a few occasions and he was a beast one of the top in the squad, he comes to Wigan and suddenly according to your info becomes lazy? What is the reason for this change in attitude? If it is the case as reported you would have to highlight the coaching of the conditioning and failing to motivate the lad by whatever means necessary.

And how will it be if he puts another stone on? And another stone? And another stone? I mean, he's already unfit to do the job, but at what point does it move from being a case of "he's not in peak condition" to a case of "he's a fat slob who only a silly fantasist would describe as a professional athlete"? And what do his employers do then?

Meanwhile, you continue to kid yourself with daft anti-Wigan propaganda that this is all our fault because we originally bought a lemon (who, by the way, we had to outbid you lot to sign).

The reality is that he wasn't always this unfit (and even now I'd have him over that cardboard tank you've got), even when he was playing for us, and certainly not when he was in Aus. It's partly the fault of the two Wigan coaches he's played under, who seem to have stood by doing nothing while he's got heavier and heavier. But if my boss told me to get on with an essential aspect of my job, and my attitude was basically "no, I can't be bothered doing that bit any more because it's too much hassle", I'd expect to be in trouble.

As for the doctor / scientist bit, Feka could do the job when he started. But since then he's made minimal effort to keep up the necessary work. So the analogy stands.

My original point, which you do get despite pretending you don't (whereas the other fella was just plain thick) is that nothing the club have done so far - whether it be threatening to fine him about his weight, actually fining him about his weight, putting him on extra training routines, etc - seems to be working. Maybe, now that's it's finally cost us a very important match, it's time to get really tough.

It's not even a case of wanting Feka to do more minutes anymore-that ship has long sailed unfortunatly but all we want now is for him to be able to do his job during his 30 or so minutes on the field.

It's sad that he's not actually fit enough to preform for his 30 minute spells anymore.