But you aint



Take a look at your back line (going off squad numbers) at the beginning of the season, some of them may have changed position I know and some may have been replaced in certain games etc

Mathers
Roberts
Goulding
Carmont
Richards
Smith
Lulu

ANd your back line tonight

Phelps
Roberts
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards
Tomkins
Lulu

Earlier in the season most of, if not all, where asking for Mathers to be dropped, SMith to be dropped and Goulding to be dropped. This has in one way or another happened, Mathers sold, Smith injured, Goulding shipped out on loan and replaced with probably the best current GB centre. IMO your back line is now stronger than it was at the start of the season

He means the back row of the pack

Yes I did - Bailey, Hock and O'Loughlin - were all first choice, none played this evening. Not an excuse for losing, just a fact. As it happens I thought Mossop, Flanagan and Hansen all played extremely well in replacement - J Tomkins not so much this evening, but will let him off after his performance against Leeds.

No he’s not a hard player he’s a cheap shot merchant who has been hyped up beyond all proportions by Saints fans and the media. He’s not great player as all got is the occasional powerful scoot after that he offers very little. Give me Martin Hall, Newton, Cameron Smith or Farrar any time over that one trick pony.

Cunningham isn’t this great shinning example that the scousers want us to believe he is. Look at his past in RL-

-The Hock esq allegations against him
-The walking out on his country time after time

This isn’t the mark of a true legend like Faz, Radders or even Gidley imo who you can’

What ever is dished his way he deserves.

Mossop and Hansen are better than Bailey. However it does show that Wigan have strong strength in depth in the back row and beyond.

Can't agree with you - dislike Saints as much as any Wigan fan, but can remain objective in my assessment of players and Cunningham has been an extremely good player for more than a decade.

One of the major reasons why Saints have been so successful in the SL era.

Have nothing but respect for him as a player - just wish he didn't wear the red vee.

Very sad.l

I agree



And a fair comment from your good self about a player that doesn't play for Saints

That isn’t the basis of a great RL player imo due to the fact that SL isn’t as good of a standard as what people say it is.

Cunningham has never won the MOS award. He’s never done the business for GB EVER. He’s faked injury as well as brought our great game in disrepute but yet some Saints fans call him a ‘legend of the game’ on par with the likes of Hanley and Boston.

He's a good if not very good SL player but yet the likes of Lowes and Withers also were but in the likes of a Darren Lockeyer, Farrell, Jones, Mal Meninga, Buderus, Dayley & Sterling he’s not even close to the top tier of RL's great players

Cunningham has always been a niggling player, never throws a punch but sucks the opposition in with sly digs and little rough plays in the tackle.

Regards Tomkins, what did he do wrong?

Hit a man in the tackle who the ref had not called held?

Nothing wrong with the challenge at all, it was not a cheap shot it was a pro player making a play for his team to complete the tackle.

I think its fair to say that he is a St. Helens legend and in my view given the names of the Saints players that have won the MOS (and in some cases shouldn't have), I think it is a travesty that Cunningham has not been rewarded over that period. Especially since its seems to have been a given that a Saints player gets it every year regardless. In my view its because he has been so consistently good over the years, that he hasn't been singled out for the award - other players that have more peaks and troughs of form become more lauded by the media (i.e, Roby).

I'm getting a bit tired of defending a Saints player on here, but feel objectivity is a must - for Cunninghams real value as a player - look what year he made his debut, then look at Saints upturn in fortunes and period of sustained success. He is the common denominator in all those teams and it is stupidity to claim he is anything but a domestic RL great.