Thankyou for the insult. I believe people are allowed to disagree?

Can I point out that your whole view is based on a misconception on your part. Namely, that Fielden and feka are a pair thay play together to produce a single player. A single player that costs nearly £500,000 pounds each season and leaves Wigan apparently with only 12 players v 13.

It is a misconception on your part because Fielden has not always come off the reserve bench alongside Feka. Very often Fielden started games until recently and of course when Feka goes off the field of play, Fielden is still there.

Even allowing for your misconception how is Jamie Peacock able to do both parts of the props job specification and Stuart Fielden can only do 1 or neither

Exactly. He has no natural feel for the sport because he started playing the game too late. He benefitted from having a great conditioner early in his career. The sport moved on and Fielden lost the conditioner who built him up physically.

I had to leave for an overseas project at short notice. I'm sorry Stuart.

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Got to be honest i've literally just finished watching the replay and was going to come on and post how suprised i was at Fieldens level of preformence.

Watching it closer and out of the heat of the moment he got us some momentum in the 2nd half by constantly finding his front and not getting turned on his back. He didn't made many metres at all but didn't get dominated either.

He did however miss a couple of poor tackles in the first half and made a handling error but overall his preformence was decent.

He can preform so much better for us though. I'd just like to see him look more 'up' for games.

He looks very flat at the moment.

Lets just get something straight about this, Fielden is what 60/70% of the player of 3/4 years ago?????

His wages are whatever they are, we can't do anything about that and irrespective of What we are paying a player I try to look at whether he actually deserves a place in the team.

Fielden I admit has been a disappointment compared to the Very High expectations we ALL had of him.

HOWEVER

There are many things he does bring to the team that aren't "Special" but are needed by the team to make us more effective and these things are often not the Eye Catching things that are Noticed ala Bailey/O'Loughlin

Theres no doubt he's covering Fekas backside in the tackling department and the partnership they seem to have is working in that we no longer seem to look vulnerable just before & Just after HT when Feka is usually on.

His yards per carry arent actually any different than what they have been for the past 5 or 6 seasons inc the season he was ajudged Best forward in the world!

He is making more tackles per game than he has at Any Time in his career and Pro Rata (Considering he's only playing 45/55 minutes each week now comapred to 80 minutes in 2004/2005/2006/2007) He is Averaging Massively more per game.

I believe the Only part of the game (And I admit it was probably the Part we bought him for!) is the Attacking/breaking the line prop of 2005 early 2006!

According to the Stats he used to make 14/15 Clean Breaks a season at bradford, Whilst at Wigan he's made 4 in 3 seasons!!!!!!!!!!!!

However he's now averaging 25/26 tackles a game when only playing what 50mins a game???
He used to average 21/22 tackles a game when playing 80!!!!!!!!

Overall

A disappointment - Yes!

Has he shirked the workload - No!
And given he's probably taking a lot of Payback from other forwards he has dished it out to over the years he's still there week in week out and very rarely misses a game in a Sport where he could find an excuse/injury Not to play each week and collect his money without trying!

That's a really enlightening post.
I think the tackles thing could be down to these days you get two or three men in EVERY tackle. Don't know though, you raised some interesting points.

Very interesting points you have raised here - surprising too!

I think you've just thrown a spanner in the works

That he was overrated ?

Really? Sounds to me like you're paying mega bucks for a player who does what a kid like Paul Clough does for Saints, probably for a 5th of the cash.

Yes really. I wouldn't of thought his metres gained per carry would be more or less on par with his one's at Bradford, nor would of thought his work in defence would be higher than his Bradford days.

It's not to say we should keep him nor am I trying to make out he's a world beater but it certainly does make surprising reading.

Why is it mis conception?

1.Does Fielden come one with Feka. Yes
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2.Does Fielden do more tackling when he is on the field than Feka. Yes.

3.Does Feka do 2 / 3 big runs tires then gets targeted in defence. Yes

4.Is Fielden hated because how much he cost? Yes.

Is the Leeds pack line of, Peacock, Burgess, Leuluai, Lauitiiti, Bailey & Buchcanan, better than ours? IMO yes.

Would Fielden play better in a big pack like Leeds and Warrington than he does in a light weight pack like ours. IMO yes.

Look at S. Burgess had a very good year the other year in a big Bradford pack, not had a good year in a light weight pack this year.

The 1st 4 points are fact, the others are my opinion. You can agree or disagree that's what a debate is about, but you cant doubt Facts.

I presume you know that for certain?

I mean, you would lose any credibility you haven't got if you quoted that without actually knowing, wouldn't you?