I know you weren't..I was just pointing out that a lot of people seem to be under the impression that we sack coaches every year ..and while we have had our fair share of coaches it's not quite as bad as some would make out.

Unfortunately as supporters, all we can do is be patient or give up supporting Wigan. I too am very frustrated, but I still honestly think we are going in the right direction, and patience will pay off. Of course I am just going by how I see things, and don't know any more than anybody else on these forums.

I'm amazed that Wigan did not sign a direct replacement for Trent Barrett at stand off. For me Noble still doesn't know which positions to play certain players to get the best out of them. Surely, most people recognise that TL is far better at hooker than scrum half. The full back postiion has been another one. Mathers, Richards and Roberts have all played there with varying degrees of success and failure.

Make your mind up.

First you accuse me of a simplistic approach of suggesting a prop would solve the problem now you are telling me if we get better players it would solve the problem. You are contradicting yourself.

I have never said players were robots and we already have some good players several of whom are Internationals yet we still play poorly.

My point is simple. We need a prop as part of fixing what is wrong but even if we signed a top class prop unless the team plays a different way then we won't see much improvement.

By playing a "different way" I mean eradicating the problems I referred you to that Cruncher summed up. To save you the trouble of looking for that post here it isCruncher wrote

Stick a top class prop into the team and continue to make those mistakes then we will not see much of an improvement and the person responsible for sorting the above out is Noble.

Dave

We do appear to be getting worse, the most frustrating part is, we aren't far away from a good team breaking out.

It would appear we need a new coach to enable the break through, but without another prop and halfback of world class standing, we won't make that leap.