We need a new Coach, simple.

We just DO NOT look like a well coached team.

After watching the Saints v Leeds game last week, you can't fail to be impressed by how organised Saints look in attack. They broke through the Leeds line at will sometimes - their use of the dummy runner is superb.

We are a million miles away from these levels.

We need to recruit a top class Aussie coach who can drag us to the top of the table.

However, Lenagan will no doubt not see this, I bet he goes for Brian McDermott.

We haven't progressed at all under Noble. Enough.

I don't know but they are on world class money !

The money Phil Bailey is on is amazing.

The pack is far to lightweight.

Fielden, as much as I have hoped and prayed that the man who was my favourite SL player when at Bradford, who I was so amazed we signed, is gone, finished and will never ever reach resonable standard again.

O'Carroll & Prescott are admirable but are both to lightweight and wet behind the ears to do the job.

Coley, although much improved for the last few games, is someone who should be nowhere near a side wanting to win things.

Feka, our main go forward, which in itself highlights the problem, our pack should be in a position that when he comes on, he blows the opposition away, not he comes on and we might for once make more than a few metres in a drive.

Bailey in the centre is no use in relation to getting Roberts the ball, but he is helping protect Tomkins and is a much more stable option than either Goulding/Phelps.

Ainscough & Tomkins were poor, but last night will help them.

Carmont is playing like a man with a secure future.

Tommy, Riddell & McIllorum are okay, but a team with 3 hookers and no #7 isn't that well balanced.

Smith - we need him in attack but he costs us more than he creates in defence.

Hock is doing all he can, Lockers & Hansen really need to do something to help him in attack and Joel looks a shadow of the player he was last year.

Noble, I still back him, I don't see any sense at this point of sacking him. Nobody is available who I would want to take the job but the incosistency is becoming unacceptable. That being said, last night, Hudds got away with the worst spoiling display I have ever seen and Bentham let them, every call went with them and there is nothing you can do to argue that.

IL, either let Noble sign exactly who he wants, or sack him and appoint a coach who can work with the players you think are good enough. Stop the jobs for the boys club and appoint a proven back room staff. A "part time skills coach" - WHY EVEN BOTHER.

Good post mate

Disagree about Eamon and Prescott though

Though PP was good last night and is going to be a cracking player. Eamon has been really good this season and at only 21 is only going to get better. Replace Fielden and Coley with 2 top class props (an Asotasi type player with someone else who will be a workhorse for us maybe Lynch) and we would see the best of both of them.

A centre is desperately needed. Soliola or Joel Reddy look like the only available options.

We are lacking a controlling SH. TL isn't that player. Dobson would be perfect but not available for at least another season.

Mathers, Phelps, Smith, Coley, Fielden, Bailey and maybe Goulding and Pryce (at least one of them) with McIlorum on loan would provide us with a massive chunk of the cap to go and get 4 top quality players

Shame it ain't gona happen though

IMO we re consistant ... we are consistantly poor . we come up against any team with a bit of grit or power and we crumble.

Joel needs to be a 13. He was far better last season as a 13 when Lockers was injured.

Lockers is an issue, an issue created by the club, he isn't a 13 and isn't a capt. The club needs to find a way to push him into the second row and take the capt off him without rocking the ship too much. He's a decent SR, nothing more.

I don't rate Hansen, so what if he does a lot of tackling? Lockers can do just as much and offer far more in attack. Lets get real, bottom line is he isn't good enough

Hock- Good at times back at others.

Riddell- Not done it. Had one good game all season to date.

Coley and Fielden- poor props. The front row is a concern, probably the biggest.

Tommy is a better 9 than Riddell, but is playing at 7 cos Smith can't tackle for peanuts. We need a good number 7.

Bailey, not playing at centre cos he's good, playing there cos Phelps and Goulding are cr@p. Not a good way to pick a starting player, but it's the truth.

I'm not bashing the players, but why are we surprised when we lost to Hudders? Cos we overrated such players.

Exactly, but que the Goulding fan club on here defending him to the hilt. As for Hansen, absolutely spot on, he offers so little going forward its embarrasing.



They will become top props, but in the environment we have them in currently its doing them more bad than good.

I think Prescott will be a top prop. But O Carroll isn't big enough. Props who are smaller in height need unrivaled amounts of aggression and fight to match up, which he doesn't. I don't like seeing a Wigan prop thrown on the floor.

Lets raise the bar at Wigan.. take a good look at the players we have, thats why we aren't performing.

Don't worry.

With any luck for you guys, Wire will lose this week and then you will be able to take comfort in that.

Not for much longer, apparently he has asked for a transfer.

Can anyone on here seriously say they wouldn't of signed Riddell/Roberts? Riddell simply isn't producing and as someone as said is about on par with Higham. Even more interesting, we weren't even supposed to sign Riddell as apparently Noble went after Terry Newton but somehow we ended up with Ridell. That may not be entirely correct but it is what I've been told of a fairly reliable source.

Roberts I feel sorry for at times, he's not doing much because he ain't getting the ball much - just like Calderwood, although granted he was poor for the majority of his time at Wigan.

I don't think sacking Noble is a wise-move right now - who else is available? I know someone will inevitably post "BRING BACK EDWARDS!" but back in the real world, he wouldn't give up his cushy well paid RU job, added to the fact he said he didn't want to move back up North until his children were old enough.

The word that Noble isn't getting the players he wants is gathering strength and pace, would Noble willingly take a team with such a weak pack into the SL cauldron? No, his Bradford and GB team's prove that. Then the counter-argument is when Noble signed he said it was "his team and if he didn't choose his team and sign the players he want's he will walk." which hasn't happened.

Very confusing situation at Wigan and one that is showing no signs of sorting itself out - it's been going on for at least 3 years now, someone needs to sort it out or our fall from grace will be well and truly complete.

Good.