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| Quote 100% Warrior="100% Warrior"Are you joking?
Fielden?
He works his socks off consistently week in week out. Easily our best prop IMO, Noble needs to start playing him for 80mins again.
Hearing from people inside the club, he is one of the most hard-working and dedicated professionals there. So what it doesn't happen for him sometimes, but when teams score the majority of tries against us when he is on the bench, is no co-incidence.
Baileys work rate also goes un-noticed IMO, not a world beater, just a hard worker.'" i agree.i have always liked fielden as a player.even when things werent going right for him he would always work hard.same with bailey.i also think part of our defensive problem is because of feka.his lack of fitness puts players outside him under pressure.players are doin hes defensive work for him.i know smith has missed some shockers this season but fekas (and hock to a certain extent) inability to get set in defence is having a knock on effect on players around them. |
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| Quote cadoo="cadoo"I am staggered how some people can defend having Tim Smith in the side. He is a shadow of his former self, I do not care what he has won in the past so far at Wigan he has not produced the goods. He has looked absolutely awful in defense his positioning is out of place, his tackling technique is ridiculous for a halfback and his general fitness does not look up to scratch. He is a big weak link in our defense and teams will continue to exploit this all season. It infuriates me when I see him shouting and screaming at the rest of the team when he is the one who is letting players get passed him!
I appreciate people do not want to rush Sam Tomkins but I do not think we are rushing him at all in fact I think the opposite we have been far too slow to bring him into the first team. He needs more game time and seems to thrive on the expectation put on him. He is also very solid in defense as was evident against Harlequins. We looked a far better team with Smith off the field and Sam Tomkins on it. I don't care what age he is, if we're a better team with Sam Tomkins on the field then he should start next week against Bradford. He's ready.
As for Smith IMO he needs a few extra sessions with Mike Forshaw as he does not look fit enough to play consistently for 80 minutes. He needs a lot more work on his tackling technique and we'll see how it goes from there. I'm sure there is a good player in Tim Smith somewhere but so far there has been little evidence of this and it's something we need to address to benefit both Wigan and Tim Smith. He's had a long time out of the game so I'm willing to accept to a certain extent but some of the tackles he's made this season have been shocking and he seems very rusty in that department and unfit. Something which can be fixed and IMO we should give him a couple of weeks out to address these issues, Sam Tomkins is more than capable of filling in for him until Tim Smith is ready for first team action again but until then he should not be playing next week.'"
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| 'I also feel Hock has the potential to move up to Prop. Considering the depth in the backrow replacing him if he were to move up to prop wouldn't be an issue.'
OH. MY. GOD.
Some people on here really don't have a fu*king clue - I even heard one bloke say that we should put pryce at 6 because 'if his brother can do it so can he.' I'm still waiting for someone to recommend putting fielden on the wing, feka at full back and roberts/smith at prop...  |
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| Quote Andy Greg="Andy Greg"This is how it should be for at least the next 6 games'"
Regardless of whether Tomkins is ready or not the bigger issue is surely Smith's defence? He is a complete liability at the moment and unless Nobby can devise a way of protecting him or Smith starts tackling then in 6 games time the season will be as good as over.
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| Quote cadoo="cadoo"
I appreciate people do not want to rush Sam Tomkins but I do not think we are rushing him at all in fact I think the opposite we have been far too slow to bring him into the first team. He needs more game time and seems to thrive on the expectation put on him. He is also very solid in defense as was evident against Harlequins. We looked a far better team with Smith off the field and Sam Tomkins on it. I don't care what age he is, if we're a better team with Sam Tomkins on the field then he should start next week against Bradford. He's ready.'"
He is 19 soon to be 20 and I agree with what you say above especially the bit in bold as I don't believe Noble when he says "I've never been frightened to use young players ...". I can't comment on the Qunis performance but it seems he IS ready from what Ihave read and more ready than Tim Smith.
Where has this kid glove appraoch come from with players of his age and ability?
Quote cadooAs for Smith IMO he needs a few extra sessions with Mike Forshaw as he does not look fit enough to play consistently for 80 minutes. He needs a lot more work on his tackling technique and we'll see how it goes from there. I'm sure there is a good player in Tim Smith somewhere but so far there has been little evidence of this and it's something we need to address to benefit both Wigan and Tim Smith. He's had a long time out of the game so I'm willing to accept to a certain extent but some of the tackles he's made this season have been shocking and he seems very rusty in that department and unfit. Something which can be fixed and IMO we should give him a couple of weeks out to address these issues, Sam Tomkins is more than capable of filling in for him until Tim Smith is ready for first team action again but until then he should not be playing next week.'"
Agree with this also. I'd like Smith to succeed at Wigan and every now and again he produces a flash of good play that was the sort of thing that no doubt got him his previous awards but he seems too big a liabilty in defence to persist with him in the 1st 17 at the moment.
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If you pick players on form, then there's no other option than to drop Smith, keep Mathers out, and have Tomkins and Ainscough in the team. 2 of our best players on the park on Saturday.
If Smith's going to become a great player through time, then he could spend a bit of that time in the reserves - least that way he'd know there was competition for his place. Few others could do with it, too!
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| Quote LordLoveRocket87="LordLoveRocket87"'I also feel Hock has the potential to move up to Prop. Considering the depth in the backrow replacing him if he were to move up to prop wouldn't be an issue.'
OH. MY. GOD.
Some people on here really don't have a fu*king clue - I even heard one bloke say that we should put pryce at 6 because 'if his brother can do it so can he.' I'm still waiting for someone to recommend putting fielden on the wing, feka at full back and roberts/smith at prop...
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He's a Noble style winger 
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| Quote LordLoveRocket87="LordLoveRocket87"'I also feel Hock has the potential to move up to Prop. Considering the depth in the backrow replacing him if he were to move up to prop wouldn't be an issue.'
OH. MY. GOD.
Some people on here really don't have a fu*king clue - I even heard one bloke say that we should put pryce at 6 because 'if his brother can do it so can he.' I'm still waiting for someone to recommend putting fielden on the wing, feka at full back and roberts/smith at prop...
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| Quote Bridger="Bridger"Really. Expect Hock to be playing regularly at prop forward before he's 30.'"
History would say so wouldn't it
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I’m sure there have been more also?
All large, strong SR who've been shoved up to the front row as their careers progressed. It’s very, very feasible that Hock will go the same way as the above mentioned |
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| Quote thepriestman85="thepriestman85"History would say so wouldn't it
Faz
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I’m sure there have been more also?
All large, strong SR who've been shoved up to the front row as their careers progressed. It’s very, very feasible that Hock will go the same way as the above mentioned'"
Our best props have been former back-rowers. I did a post on this a few years ago.
Brian McTigue, Terry Clawson, Kevin Ward, Andy Platt, Kurt Sorenson to name a few. |
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| Quote Bridger="Bridger"Really. Expect Hock to be playing regularly at prop forward before he's 30.'"
Only time will tell if this is the best thing for Hock but at the moment it looks like by the time hes 29/30 he will be in the front row
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