i dont agree.i think oloughlin has been one of wigans most creative players so far this season.surely its better to have one of the teams better ball distributors at loose and have a strong running second row like joel running off him and the halves.

But Lockers isn't the most creative player, just shows the lack of creativity we've had. I think Joel has been running excellent lines especially last season, something he should be able to do by roaming the pitch.

O'Loughlin is not creative enough for a 13, yes he tries hard but the skill isn't there. Compare him to P Sculthorpe and K Sinfield, these 2 could create a try on their own. I don't know about you, but when O'Loughlin gets the ball I don't think - Oh we could score here - it's more on the terms - Oh please don't cock up in some way.

That might be a little harsh, but O'Loughlin is not creative. A hard runner maybe, like Langley, with good upper-body strength.

You could argue he's a decent kicker maybe, but not consistently.

He's a 12, same with Tomkins IMO. Yes he scores too, but he doesn't have the ball-in-hand skills you need. These days a 13 is just a 6 with more muscle.

hes been the most creative player this season so far just by the number of assists yet you want to take him out of that position and put joel there.joel runs good lines as you put it because hes involved in set moves and knows which players to run off.if he was roaming the pitch he wouldnt be in those positions half the time.i think both players have been two of wigans better performers this season but to me i just cant see the point in them switching positons.it would be no benefit to the team except to disrupt it.

i think oloughlin is creative.he was involved in 3 tries on saturday.if thats not a creative player i dont know what is.i think oloughlin gets a raw deal on this forum.hes a better player than people give him credit for.people say all he does is tackle like its a bad thing.defense wins you games.his attacking play is also v good it just seems people like to highlight his mistakes and disregard his good work.

could u bum joel abit more? hahaha

I rate O'Loughlin highly, and if I remember rightly he had a hand in Ainscough's 1st try from a second row position?
I don't believe Joel's strength lies necessarily in 'strong' running, more the gaps that he spots and takes advantage of with the angles that he runs.

Richards
Roberts
Bailey
Carmont
Ainscough
Smith
Tommy
Fielden
Riddell
O'Carroll
Hansen
J Tomkins
O'Loughlin

S Tomkins
Hock
Feka
Pryce

1.Paaat
2.Roberts
3.Bailey
4.Carmont
5.Ainscough
6.Timmy
7.Tommy
8.Fielden
9.Riddell
10.Prescott
11.Hock
12.Hansen
13.Locky

14.Feka
15.O Carroll
16.Joel
17.Sam

Personally think Hock is miles better off the bench bill. 'Ommering the big lazy Bradford forwards when he comes on