It would be arrogant to expect one per year, but two from a possible ten wouldn't be good enough for me, we should expect more than that from the resources we have had. Even by your logic that would be less than our fair share. Aside from that, even if you only expect to compete well rather than win, does bowing out to Cas (QF) and Hull KR (Round before QF) constitute us offering a realistic challenge for the Challenge Cup these last two years?

I agree, at the end of this year Wane will of been in charge for 5 seasons, which is 10 trophies ( CC and GF) if you count league leaders then 15, but we'll just count 10, I'd expect around 4 trophies in that period, if we win 1 or 2 this season you have to say it's been fairly successful especially with the injures we've had, I have to give Wane a lot of credit for what he's done for Wigan as a club especially with the youth, but I think last year and especially this year, we've seen some of his tactics exposed and quite heavily on that matter. I often think of Wane as the Van Gaal of rugby, not the greatest manger but someone who will lay the platform for the future and I think although I do like Wane, if this season produces no trophies, then it's time for him to step down

1 or 2 trophies this year would be 'fairly successful' even given our injuries?!!

You're a harsh task master!

Given the issues we've had this year I think one trophy would be an incredible effort and two would be simply stunning.

I meant 1 would be fairly successful and 2 would be extremely successful, I'll reword it better next time

Given the injuries mate I think one would be excellent tbh.

Here's hoping we can get all three on the board though. We've got an excellent squad if we can get the majority on the field at the same time.

Great that he's coming back to Wigan IMO. From what little I saw of him at The Roosters he has the raw attributes to be a great winger for years - he has the combination of sheer speed with size that can't be coached. I think he went to the NRL a bit early, as any flaws were bound to be magnified. He also could have chosen a team with less competition - Tupou was Aus + NSW left wing until recently. I hope he gets a few games for Souths as he'll then be on Bennett's radar for England.

He didn't have an awful lot of the ball today but my word he has been in the gym, his back and shoulders are huge and he made some barnstorming runs carrying 3 and 4 tacklers with him. He is going to be very destructive next season. I will put my neck on the line here and say if he had stayed over there for one more season there is no way we would have got him back.