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Toronto looked big, fast, well drilled, passing was crisp...

We were slow, passing poor, 6 and 7 going alone time and time again trying to win the game, beaten in the forwards, missing tackles.....

It makes me wonder if we need a bigger pack. If you look at Leigh over the 2 seasons prior to SL the big change they made was to bulk up the pack. No coincidence Rowley has a big pack at Toronto. There pack beat us up last night providing a platform for 9 to run and for the halves to control the game.

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Quote: wire-quin "Toronto looked big, fast, well drilled, passing was crisp...

We were slow, passing poor, 6 and 7 going alone time and time again trying to win the game, beaten in the forwards, missing tackles.....

It makes me wonder if we need a bigger pack. If you look at Leigh over the 2 seasons prior to SL the big change they made was to bulk up the pack. No coincidence Rowley has a big pack at Toronto. There pack beat us up last night providing a platform for 9 to run and for the halves to control the game.'"


The size , or lack of it, of our pack is not a new issue.

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Very disappointing result, hadn't expected a walkover but thought we could/ should have progressed to the next round.
Rochdale now becomes a very important game- win it and we're back on course, lose and I'm worried heads will drop and we'll be struggling to keep up with teams finding their form in the league.

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Disappointing night! you have to respect Toronto, they are in it to win and be in the Championship next season, agree next week is so vital now.

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I think vital is a bit strong. I do think we need to get the win though to get us back in the right frame if mind, a loss next week is not catastrophic but woukd dent our top 2 plans.
I do think as the weather improves we will improve but we should be better than that

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Quote: mickyb1234 "Wantawin, well the counter argument to that is what is being mooted by the RFL. Wasps RU moved 80 odd miles, there gates have gone up.
Constant moving is never going to help though, although reality is apart from charlton we have moved at most 10 miles'"

Wasps moved to an area where there is only one premiership rugby club and have less competition from over sports even the Coventry Football Club have moved out of Coventry.
I think you need to look at route planner again the distance from the Stoop to Barnet is just under 14 miles and takes just on an hour with light traffic or a lot longer when the traffic is heavy.

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Can anyone explain the most bizarre of bizarre decisions when the ref overturned his ruling for a 20m tap (the ball went dead from a Toronto kick) for a goal line dropout leading to Toronto's 3rd try? I'd love to see the replay of that one!

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just one of many things he got wrong

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Why did Sammut go for the conversion at the end. He should shave declined the kick

Lots of idiots calling the ref when it was our mistake.

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Good news is the Toulouse league game is on as both teams lost

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20mtr re start and goal line drop out the ref saw it touch his knee before the ball went dead.

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Touchy did not see it, he made off for 20m restart. We did not see it and we were in the Budgie stand .
Elliot is not the sort of player to make a mistake like that. If he had touched it I believe he would have played it. He had time.

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Too much individual / off the cuff play from the halves, and not enough structure - Williams was visibly annoyed on several occasions when play was coming his way only to see Barthau/Sammut turn and head off back into a crowd. Pushed around up front at times too, Roqica just doesn't run his size and Spencer/Battye are both missed.

Toronto are interesting. Built for speed, but with enough size to push Broncos around at times, they've been assembled with the artificial pitch at Lamport Stadium in mind. Clearly a top end Championship team and a club that will really shake this sport up in coming years.

The Ref was poor (not to blame for defeat, that lies wth the Broncos) with lots of odd decisions and even young Pointer having to explain to him where a tap should be taken from.

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Quote: nadera78 "Too much individual / off the cuff play from the halves, and not enough structure - Williams was visibly annoyed on several occasions when play was coming his way only to see Barthau/Sammut turn and head off back into a crowd. Pushed around up front at times too, Roqica just doesn't run his size and Spencer/Battye are both missed.
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Sammut is great in broken play, however he isnt the classic number 7 general when it comes to managing a team and playing a structured game.

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Quote: hindyscrack "Sammut is great in broken play, however he isnt the classic number 7 general when it comes to managing a team and playing a structured game.'"


Agreed , his speed of thought is great when it comes to the improvised stuff - at other times he could do with keeping it simple / direct.

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