I've been told that Quins RU "structural" debt amounts to around £ 25-30 million.

Saffercens will be the first rugby club to announce a game on the Moon at this rate.

& no doubt GF will be on here strenuously defending NASA's decision to build 'em a stadium.

You could say the same about Man City, Chelsea etc. but I don't see people claiming they are running a Ponzi scheme.

I didn't claim it either.

I said they looked like a Ponzi scheme.

& today's ridiculous pronouncement further confirms that view.

So Wray spent about £250k on renting out Wembley and gave away the tickets to get a record crowd.

I suspect GF would refer to that as "marketing".

I'd be interested in the Brussels attendance for their "on the road game". I'd make a small wager it'll slight more than ours ......................... combined.

Keep the faith.

1. Saracens are building a 20 million stadium to call home
1a. London Broncos currently pay rent and are in negotiations to paye rent somewhere next year.
2. Saracens attracted 83,000+ to one game last year using discounted and free tickets as one of the ways to attract people. The game and attendance received loads of Publicity.
2a. Harlequins Rugby League attracted about 700 more fans to 26 home games in 2010 and 2011, using discounted and free tickets as one of the ways to attract people. The club struggle to get the attention of its own fans, let alone the media in the UK.
3. Saracens have just announced an 8 million pound sponsorship deal.
3a. London Broncos have finally managed to secure a paid sponsor for their shirt, 47 games after they last had one.
4. Saracens are actively looking at taking games to new venues and are very good at marketing these events.....including 83k at wembley
4a. This year, London Broncos achieved sub average crowds against Bradford and Hull when they took games on the road..... including a sub 3k gate at Orient.

What is it that upsets some people about the Union lot doing what the Broncos should be......why the need to deride their achievements?

What are the odds that in 12 months, Sarries will have seen between 80% capacity to full houses in all their games at Barnet, but cowgirl Nostalgist will tell is that all the tickets were freebies and it's a ponzie scheme?

It does amaze me when RL fans try to score points over the other code, based purely on jealousy......Sarries debt is patently manageable at present and their sponsors have backed them.....how's the situation at Bradford going?

It is possible that both Saracens & Broncos are poor off the field. Just throwing that out there.

Very possible......but I'd rather be as poor as Sarries rather than as poor as the Broncos.......
2011-2012...11 home games, on the road games, double headers and apparently free tickets.(Stats from BBC/SCRUM/STATBUNKER)
Exeter 10,854
Harlequins 83,761
Northampton 6,044
Leicester Tigers 7,265
Bath 5,799
Gloucester 7,555
London Irish 6,240
Sale Sharks 6,012
Newcastle Falcons 5,892
Worcester 5,937
London Wasps 55,437
200,796

From February 23rd, 2008 to today, The London SL club have played 61 home games including on the road games, double headers and free tickets and attracted 202,203 fans to games.

As you say, they might both be very badly run off the pitch, but I know I'd rather own our own stadium, have an 8 million quid sponsor and a marketing team that knows how to get 200k fans to 11 games rather than a series of idiots that has taken nearly 4 and a half years and 61 games to do the same.

Because they're transient.

& for all their marketing chutzpah their business model is ultimately as fecked as Broncos.

After all what is a trip to Brussels but Leyton with knobs on?

Actually creating artificial demand in a pokey stadium could well prove to be a masterstroke of sorts.

Although I've heard rumblings of discontent from actual fans about being forced into crappier seats than Vicarage Road by sheer necessity.

I'd also like to think there's a zealot out there giving the CEO grief about the non-existent 15,000 crowds promised.

11 On the road games for the London Broncos since the start of SL......51,432 fans in total.......this seasons efforts Leyton Orient (9,271) and Gillingham FC (11,582) saw 6,774 fans in attendance....32% of the available capacity.

King Baudouin Stadium holds 42,000 for soccer matches....32% is 13,440 fans. Do you reckon Sarries will get close to that...or as I suspect, get a full house.

Here's a tip for you.......look at the opposition......look at the time to get from Paris to Brussels by Train......look at the BIGGER picture.

Smart move by sarries......a game that would have struggled to get 5k in attendance will now attract a crowd of 40k........

Knock away if you must....I am looking forward to 2013 and Gus and the back-office team .v3 disproving any of my "flim flam"....but I won't hold by breath (don't let me stop you though)

Bloody hell you've been busy overnight GF, thank god I'm not doing budget forecasts etc until next week, I've already had enough figures for one day.

Can you give us some stats on how many of your posts contain stats

100% of them miss the wood for the trees. You'd think he'd be able to see through marketing BS. Pretending another clubs fans are your own is desperate. If Gus proposed playing a home game in the M62 corridor he'd get laughed out court.

PS Up to now GF had wisely not included the massed ranks of McFly fans to back up his arguments. When the con man gets conned. Tut tut.