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| If you are able to do a range of packages to suit differing budgets (i.e less than a grand)... I would be interested in helping you out.
Despite being a Dragons fan I can see the point of League in the South and love my annual trip to see Catalans play you.
I suspect most fans of other clubs enjoy a trip out in London to so I would like to think they might be keen to protect you.
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| Thanks for that. The idea is there will be a membership for the Trust, probably £50 a year, and that will entitle you to one vote just like everyone else. Once we're established if people can commit more then I hope they will - but the fundamental democratic nature of the Trust will remain whether you can afford more than the membership or not.
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| Thanks to everyone for their positive response to the leafleting at the game yesterday. I think we must have spoken to at least 90% of the fans as they came to the turnstiles - apologies if we missed you.
I was struck by the number of people who knew about it for one, and the number who were broadly supportive or willing to stop and talk about it. We'll see over the next few weeks if that turns in to potential members
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| Well done and hope this one flies. You talk to 90% of the fans, the "club", despite having a matchday programme/magazine and a PA system at its disposal, talks to 0%.
(Managed to sidestep you yesterday because you were busy with somebody else, but obviously I'm aware of what you're doing.)
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| I have a few issues.
Firstly, there is no way a Supporters Trust could sustain the running of a Super League club in London. There simply isn't enough numbers around to invest such a vast amount into a club annually.
Secondly, what point is a Supporters Trust? It has become apparent to myself and probably all of you that David Hughes is running the club into the ground and will not accept any outside help (I remember GF saying he has sent hundreds of emails with ideas that have been ignored) in the running of the club. What point would there be in people putting their hands into their pockets any more than they already are to give the club money that will not be re-invested wisely into the club.
Another issue is, you are expecting people to stump up a grand at most as well as the price of a season ticket. Realistically, how many people will be in a position to stump up around £1,200 to the club? People travel far and wide to support the club and will pay out masses to travel to the club as well as what they spend on tickets, merchandise, food and drink. I can't see a huge amount being in a position to fork out that much money, despite the fact they would like to. Even the £500 option is quite expensive at £750 per annum.
However, I'll end on a positive note. London Rugby League is thriving in the amateur game. There are countless clubs with countless age groups, players, parents and sponsors that are there to be targeted. Use examples of Sarginson, Dixon and LMS and show these clubs and businesses that sponsor them that a Rugby League team is vital to the Capital.
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| Quote: Moe Lester "I have a few issues.
Firstly, there is no way a Supporters Trust could sustain the running of a Super League club in London. There simply isn't enough numbers around to invest such a vast amount into a club annually.
Secondly, what point is a Supporters Trust? It has become apparent to myself and probably all of you that David Hughes is running the club into the ground and will not accept any outside help (I remember GF saying he has sent hundreds of emails with ideas that have been ignored) in the running of the club. What point would there be in people putting their hands into their pockets any more than they already are to give the club money that will not be re-invested wisely into the club.
Another issue is, you are expecting people to stump up a grand at most as well as the price of a season ticket. Realistically, how many people will be in a position to stump up around £1,200 to the club? People travel far and wide to support the club and will pay out masses to travel to the club as well as what they spend on tickets, merchandise, food and drink. I can't see a huge amount being in a position to fork out that much money, despite the fact they would like to. Even the £500 option is quite expensive at £750 per annum.
However, I'll end on a positive note. London Rugby League is thriving in the amateur game. There are countless clubs with countless age groups, players, parents and sponsors that are there to be targeted. Use examples of Sarginson, Dixon and LMS and show these clubs and businesses that sponsor them that a Rugby League team is vital to the Capital.'"
Moe, I agree with you on most points! Supporters Trusts, that I have seen, seem to be there just to ensure a small club survives, and nothing really more. If David Hughes is in discussions with the RFL, to get out, then like the Wrexham situation, we would go to the bottom and have to start all over again. Even if we managed to climb and gain promotion one day, as Moe suggests how could we survive in Super League. I admire the work being done by both The Skolars and The Stags, but there attendances are not really building, how many feel they will achieve Super League status?
Young players are being developed, but if there is no Super League Club in the Capital, what have they to really aim for, a move to the North? It saddened me today, some of our younger players (scholarship), playing their last game, as the season comes to an end, some say they will now look for a good job and some go back to play Union.
Our base of loyal fans come from a much larger area than Northern Super League players, one Giants player tweeted the other day, what a journey down to London, to some of them, it seems it is the other side of the world? I reminded him that our players do that fortnightly.
Our Club has let us down badly, the last few seasons it has been a failure, I am fed up of defending it. I spoke to so many colleagues in advertising, TV/Radio and music, a few came down in our first stay at The Stoop, but that was it, they would not even come to a game these last two seasons. We have failed? but the RFL has allowed it, were they would not let that happen to The Bulls, if The Giants started to struggle on their attendances, no way would they let them fail!
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| The difference between Bradford and Broncos is that Bradford had an asset, their home ground, whereas the Broncos don't. There is nothing that I can see that the Broncos have as an asset, any help from the RFL would be simply buying the players and their kits, not a lot else. That's the same with any potential investor to the club, the Broncos aren't a great business proposition.
Maybe a club rebuilt like the North Wales club would be a good thing. Maybe the enjoyment that people have lost will return when the club are run by the fans and the members are consulted with club matters. Yes, the attendances will be small and the big name players will not be gracing the pitch but the enjoyment may return and some of the fans return.
A big problem though will be the lack of players for clubs like Hemel and Skolars who draw some of their players from the Broncos. If all three were in the same league then that would be almost impossible to do.
Also, would people be interested in the Skolars as their club rather than starting up a new club that would be in direct competition with them? Skolars are a club at the bottom level and although they are growing, it is still a club that could be run the right way with some more income.
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| I accept that Bradford did have an asset, which we don't have. I admire what The Crusaders have done, that was also well supported by the purchase of the ground, by Glyndŵr University, I'm sure has greatly helped.
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| The Trust hasn't even been formed yet and so is not asking for anyone to "stump up" anything other than an expression of interest. Membership would probably be £50 a year or so, but of course the Trust would need to find additional money in as many ways as it can to make a success of the club. Important though that it would not be compulsory, and the Trust would be one member one vote whether you could afford additional donation or not.
Let's be honest about the size of Super League and the Broncos here as well. You talk about Trusts only being of use to "small" clubs - well we are a small club compared to Trust owned Wycombe Wanderers and Exeter City, never mind Portsmouth.
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| Quote: nkpom "The Trust hasn't even been formed yet and so is not asking for anyone to "stump up" anything other than an expression of interest. Membership would probably be £50 a year or so, but of course the Trust would need to find additional money in as many ways as it can to make a success of the club. Important though that it would not be compulsory, and the Trust would be one member one vote whether you could afford additional donation or not.
Let's be honest about the size of Super League and the Broncos here as well. You talk about Trusts only being of use to "small" clubs - well we are a small club compared to Trust owned Wycombe Wanderers and Exeter City, never mind Portsmouth.'"
Wycombe's average attendance 12/13 - 3,720.
Exeter's average attendance 12/13 - 4,141.
Portsmouth's average attendance 12/13 - 12,232.
London Broncos 2012 average attendance - 2,808.
Wycombe have 912 extra on their average, Exeter have an extra 1,333 people and Portsmouth have an extra 9,424 people. That means that each of the three clubs you mentioned would have a bigger target audience, whereas the Broncos have a tiny target audience and currently find it hard to gain sponsors so how hard would it be to find enough people to fund a Super League/Championship side long term?
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| Quote: Moe Lester "Wycombe's average attendance 12/13 - 3,720.
Exeter's average attendance 12/13 - 4,141.
Portsmouth's average attendance 12/13 - 12,232.
London Broncos 2012 average attendance - 2,808.
Wycombe have 912 extra on their average, Exeter have an extra 1,333 people and Portsmouth have an extra 9,424 people. That means that each of the three clubs you mentioned would have a bigger target audience, whereas the Broncos have a tiny target audience and currently find it hard to gain sponsors so how hard would it be to find enough people to fund a Super League/Championship side long term?'"
The sands of time are running through the egg-timer of fate. There is still a periphery if mobilised that could create a Champ 1 side, anything more (without big money) would be pie in the sky.
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| Sadly the way the game is in the UK, I never can see either Skolars or The Stags reaching Super League level, unless a real multi multi millionaire is willing to write an open cheque! as poplar panther clearly states anything else is pie in the sky dreams!
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| Even though most people wont agree, but maybe the best thing for the club is to get demoted... At least it can start all over again with out all the b***hit that the club and fans have had to suffer with. Sheffield is a perfect example.
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| Quote: Partisan "Even though most people wont agree, but maybe the best thing for the club is to get demoted... At least it can start all over again with out all the b***hit that the club and fans have had to suffer with. Sheffield is a perfect example.'"
At least Sheffield were robbed of their Super League place, but a perfect example? do you think they will ever regain Super League status?
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| Quote: jaybs "At least Sheffield were robbed of their Super League place, but a perfect example? do you think they will ever regain Super League status?'"
Dunno but with P+R coming back, who knows?
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