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If you take a step back and look at the club, it over performs on the pitch and underperforms off of it.

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How does it over perform. Its a full time squad in a PT league.

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Sadly have to agree with bosty actually I think we are over performing at the level we are playing at.

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How do you come to that conclusion?

2 decent full time teams and we came second. 1 full time team in Div below and they knocked us out of the cup. Lost to a number of PT teams. Is that over performance. Fax and Fev over performed if anyone did

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Quote: northernbloke "Toronto and london are very very different. When rugby league started as a pro club in london it was not a new sport!!!! Rugby league as we know has been played in the uk for well over 100 years, so people know the game.
Toronto, the Canadians it's the introduction of a new sport, so you are trying to attract a whole different audience and the market is totally different. As I said, the majority of Toronto fans probably would not spot a decent game of rugby league if it came and kicked them up the butt.
So as Toronto and london are similar in that they are/were new clubs, london was massively different in that it was not a new sport being offered it was a known.
You can't market the product in the same way in the UK, you are highly unlikely to attract the virgin type fans that Toronto can, why because they are not there!!!!!
You say my reference to kougash is irrelevant why? Constantly you talk about the club being a rich mans folly or toy, look at nearly every RL club, they all are!!!! So it's very relevant, when the man with the money walks away, or is pushed away, look what happens to the club, so as a comparison it's very relevant.
You asked if I had met DH I simply answered, so why the sarcastic response? If you don't want an answer why ask the question?'"

Calm Down pal.....and breathe.
London and Toronto are not as different as you claim in my opinion and the level of marketing activity done by the wolfpack is directly linked to the attendance's they got.......and if you're Right then getting 7k to our games should be a piece of pi55 given that all Londoners know about the sport.....

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Quote: Bostwick "If you take a step back and look at the club, it over performs on the pitch and underperforms off of it.'"


I reckon we perform (not over-perform) as expected on the park and have never performed in any way shape or form off it.

On it we are a Pro team in a semi-pro league and in reality should have finished 21-2 at the end of the season, but as happened to HKR, we got turned over by 3 part time sides who are no doubt doubly motivated when playing the full time sides....even Toronto got turned over for 3 points and they were arguably a near SL quality side in a division below us. We did as well as expected, but not as well as the owner expected!

Off it, whilst we whine, bitch and moan about who is responsible for marketing the game in the south...either the old SL Broncos or the RFL, a combination of both, or any other group or individuals, the Toronto outfit simply decided that the'yd invest heavily both on and off the park and go at it all guns blazing and the year 1 results show that they achieved an average of just shy of 7,000. To put that into perspective, SL averaged just over 9k.

I'm not apportioning blame here, just pointing out that "under-performs'" is not a phrase we have earned the right to use in terms of the off-field activities of the club and I'd say we just about "perform"on the pitch.

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Just an aside the 7k claim for Toronto is quite interesting, the stadium holds 9, every game on to there looked to be an awful lot of empty space. But yep they have blown us out the water in comparison. Toronto marketing, they are selling a product that is brand new to Canada, london was trying to sell a product that the country knew about, with all its prejudices so sorry dog massively different

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NB but London are selling a product that is heavily marketed in uk by Sky and BBC through weekly games, CC coverage and SL show etc

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Quote: northernbloke "Just an aside the 7k claim for Toronto is quite interesting, the stadium holds 9, every game on to there looked to be an awful lot of empty space.'"

Seat counter eh? The Beer tents are rammed all day.....but hey, don't let that upset a good "conspiracy theory' d040.gif d040.gif d040.gif d040.gif

I get it Norvern bloke......it's NEVER OUR FAULT..... icon_rolleyes.gif

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You don't get it though do you dog! The challenge for Toronto will be when they start coming up against decent opposition. When they start losing games will those stood in the beer tent keep coming?
The difference when london broncos first started all those years ago, rugby league was not an unknown. As for the 99.9% of Londoners knowing one egg chaser from another! They still know rugby! And if they were not interested in yawnion why would they be interested in league, the Canadians have very little to compaire too

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Quote: northernbloke "You don't get it though do you dog!'"

Oh I get it NB. If you don't market yourself, then you and your product will die, regardless of if your product is already known about or not.
Quote: northernbloke "The challenge for Toronto will be when they start coming up against decent opposition. When they start losing games will those stood in the beer tent keep coming? '"

I have no idea NB.......I don't own a crystal ball, but when it comes to predicting things in terms of the Broncos I have been depressingly accurate.
Quote: northernbloke "The difference when london broncos first started all those years ago, rugby league was not an unknown.'"

I am afraid it was a essentially "northern pastime" consigned to occasional Challenge Cup games on the BBC....maybe Londoners knew about it, but it was just that it existed and was played by whippet owning pigeon fanciers from Yorkshire.
Quote: northernbloke "As for the 99.9% of Londoners knowing one egg chaser from another! They still know rugby! And if they were not interested in yawnion why would they be interested in league, '"

At the time Union was known as an International game.....but Met Police v Bedford would attract 500 at best and there was little to play for other than the Pilkington. Neither game was of any relevance to the ordinary Londoner.....
Quote: northernbloke " the Canadians have very little to compaire too'"

Alas they do....as both the International Union and League sides have attracted media interest and decent sized crowds......admittedly not enough to shake the Hockey or Baseball teams, but maybe about as much as your average cockney not giving a flying about the Challenge Cup nor Pilkington Cup games over the weekend....and Canada RU have defeated Italy, England, Scotland, France, Wales and Argentina over the last 30 years whilst their League counterparts have seen crowds of 7k in Toronto for games

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The word is that Warrington have offered the assistant coaches job to Hendo. They want an assistant with experience of the British game and feel he is the best person for the job.
We will have to see what happens.

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Signed already. Really pleased to have him on board.

A few of our fans wanted him at head Coach

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