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Quote: Halfdan of t'wide embrace "My name is Roger. Liam doesn't post on here. Wire Quinn and others can vouch for who I am.

A new club website, non Pitchero, is under development as the club recognised the issue. The social media team at the club is one person
A volunteer with a full time job. It won't appear over night. Sadly the person concerned also has health challenges which is delaying it. Frankly we don't care, his wellbeing is more important.

The 170 gate average was 2010 ftom memory. I'd doesn't happen overnight. It's basically a long hard road. On that point I agree with you.

The commercial manager is not the person charged with driving the gates at Dulwich. Liam has been at the club for about 30 years and has been present through the changes and has a good overview of what happened and why. The Community Liason Officer is more directly responsible for driving attendances so how long Liam has been commercial manager for is irrelevant.

I have not suggested hiring either Liam or Mishi ( the librarian.) They wouldn't be interested, events at Dulwich mean they are a bit busy. They were willing to share knowledge for free.

I am well aware Broncos do community work. I would question whether they are doing the right community work unless they don't view it as a way of either long term wider community engagement or driving gates in which case, fair enough.

What Wolfpack did is neither here or there. This thread has been detailed - partially by me so hands up - into a Broncos marketing thread. Failures by another club do not make things better for Broncos.

I totally agree about your point on the Dulwich method won't get 1k overnight. I have watched Dulwich since 1991 and am well aware of how long it took to build the gate. It wasn't a smooth upwards curve either. As stated the first pay what you want day was massive.

I won't post this thread again as it's beginning to bore me so I guess everyone else must be sick of it. I am willing to discuss this face to face at a game however.

I repeat my name is Roger and I am not Liam.'"


Hang on. So this guru has been there 30 years and in that time has achieved a few positional places in an amateur football league and managed to add 1000 onto a crowd at a club in the heart of an area that’s has been built up massively during that time?

If I didn’t think you were being serious I would be looking for the punchline by now!!

Seriously, let the professional people run their club and let Liam and Librarian run their club. Call me God clearly has some great ideas and knowledge on the subject clouded by his hatred for David Hughes, I’m not sure your expert is best placed to be working with a club that has the sort of financial backing the Broncos have!

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: MonkeyLover "Hang on. So this guru has been there 30 years and in that time has achieved a few positional places in an amateur football league and managed to add 1000 onto a crowd at a club in the heart of an area that’s has been built up massively during that time?

If I didn’t think you were being serious I would be looking for the punchline by now!!

Seriously, let the professional people run their club and let Liam and Librarian run their club. Call me God clearly has some great ideas and knowledge on the subject clouded by his hatred for David Hughes, I’m not sure your expert is best placed to be working with a club that has the sort of financial backing the Broncos have!'"

Leave me out of this.......and for the record, I don't hate anyone. What I do have is a disregard for Hughes because no matter how wealthy he is, he has still destroyed (not all on his own) a club with huge potential, through a total disregard for anything other than his ego! 2 Million a year will never wash clear his conscience for his dummy spit at the end of 2013.......a hammering at the hands of Wigan and he pi55ed away our SL status in a hissy fit......unforgivable! As I say, I don't hate anyone, but his ineptitude is almost as immense as his ego....

Quote: MonkeyLover "Like I say in the eyes of some whatever they do will be wrong.'"

Not at all......but the letterbox drop (mailshot is the one with a stamp...bartercard don't do stamps) was misdirected and regardless of if it brought in 40 or 400, it was a pointless exercise with no data collection at the back of it.......

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Quote: Call Me God "Leave me out of this.......and for the record, I don't hate anyone. What I do have is a disregard for Hughes because no matter how wealthy he is, he has still destroyed (not all on his own) a club with huge potential, through a total disregard for anything other than his ego! 2 Million a year will never wash clear his conscience for his dummy spit at the end of 2013.......a hammering at the hands of Wigan and he pi55ed away our SL status in a hissy fit......unforgivable! As I say, I don't hate anyone, but his ineptitude is almost as immense as his ego....

Not at all......but the letterbox drop (mailshot is the one with a stamp...bartercard don't do stamps) was misdirected and regardless of if it brought in 40 or 400, it was a pointless exercise with no data collection at the back of it.......'"


Ah ok. If it’s any consolation I’m sure if you wasn’t a such an absolute nobody David Hughes might have a disregard for you too.

As it stands he and many others can enjoy their lives whilst you carry on whinging about stuff you cannot afford to do anything about.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: MonkeyLover "Ah ok. If it’s any consolation I’m sure if you wasn’t a such an absolute nobody David Hughes might have a disregard for you too.

As it stands he and many others can enjoy their lives whilst you carry on whinging about stuff you cannot afford to do anything about.'"


If it's any consolation, money doesn't equal class in the same way having an internet connection isn't a substitute for an education. I care little if Hughes knows or cares that there are a great many ex-London Broncos fans who hold him responsible for the clubs demise. It matters even less that I am a nobody......what does matter is that his ego and his remoteness from reality will ensure that we will finish another season as a professional side....thans Dave......you da man!!!!

As an aside. I can afford the luxury of sitting in a Mortgage Free home, with another mortgage free rental a stones throw from Trailfinders and owning 3 businesses that provide for me and mine. I would never invest in a sports club of any nature, but what I will do is comment on an area of business that has delivered me such minimal luxury........as Hughes himself admits, he is inept in the day to day runnings of a business but his "wealth" combined with his salesman's ego prevent him from hiring anything other than yes-men and therefore it's Leigh, Sheffield, Sheffield and Toulouse this month and not Wigan, Leeds, St Helens and Warrington.....with 900 fans at home and not 4,000, but still with the £2,000,000 a year "donation".........he may be wealthy but he really isn't the sharpest knife in the cutlery drawer.....

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Quote: Call Me God "If it's any consolation, money doesn't equal class in the same way having an internet connection isn't a substitute for an education. I care little if Hughes knows or cares that there are a great many ex-London Broncos fans who hold him responsible for the clubs demise. It matters even less that I am a nobody......what does matter is that his ego and his remoteness from reality will ensure that we will finish another season as a professional side....thans Dave......you da man!!!!

As an aside. I can afford the luxury of sitting in a Mortgage Free home, with another mortgage free rental a stones throw from Trailfinders and owning 3 businesses that provide for me and mine. I would never invest in a sports club of any nature, but what I will do is comment on an area of business that has delivered me such minimal luxury........as Hughes himself admits, he is inept in the day to day runnings of a business but his "wealth" combined with his salesman's ego prevent him from hiring anything other than yes-men and therefore it's Leigh, Sheffield, Sheffield and Toulouse this month and not Wigan, Leeds, St Helens and Warrington.....with 900 fans at home and not 4,000, but still with the £2,000,000 a year "donation".........he may be wealthy but he really isn't the sharpest knife in the cutlery drawer.....'"


But still much happier than you and not having to sit posting on an internet forum with the sort of bitterness and hatred usually only associated with a guy who is unhappily married to a pig and has so little in his social diary he feels the need to try and gain interaction on the internet? In your own words 'you da man'!

Enjoy the bank holiday weekend, maybe you could turn the laptop off and spend some time with the pig?

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: MonkeyLover "But still much happier than you and not having to sit posting on an internet forum with the sort of bitterness and hatred usually only associated with a guy who is unhappily married to a pig and has so little in his social diary he feels the need to try and gain interaction on the internet? In your own words 'you da man'!

Enjoy the bank holiday weekend, maybe you could turn the laptop off and spend some time with the pig?'"


Buddy. I'm not sure if you're just in fro an all night rave or just a little tired, but my wife isn't a Pig and I'd ask you not to repeat that. I don't hate anyone BTW........and neither do I feel the need to insult anyone's wife?
What a strange post????

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Quote: "But still much happier than you and not having to sit posting on an internet forum with the sort of bitterness and hatred usually only associated with a guy who is unhappily married to a pig and has so little in his social diary he feels the need to try and gain interaction on the internet? In your own words 'you da man'!

Enjoy the bank holiday weekend, maybe you could turn the laptop off and spend some time with the pig?'"


Thats a little harsh and maybe unnecessary.

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Quote: wire-quin "Thats a little harsh and maybe unnecessary.'"


You've clearly not read some of the stuff posted by this jerk in the past then?

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Quote: Call Me God "Buddy. I'm not sure if you're just in fro an all night rave or just a little tired, but my wife isn't a Pig and I'd ask you not to repeat that. I don't hate anyone BTW........and neither do I feel the need to insult anyone's wife?
What a strange post????'"


It's the only possible explanation for a guy with so much material wealth (real classy of you to list it on an internet forum by the way) to be spending his time posting such bitterness towards the owner of the club, staff trying to do a job and other fans/posters who have an opinion different to yours.

Enjoy your house, keep an eye on your businesses and stop being such a toss pot.

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He may be a toss pot and full of himself and an arrogant sh*t but there is no need to drag his wife into this as she is an innocent bystander. I think you should apologise to his wife but I agree about the rest.

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I think it’s time to cut out all personal insults, that is not the purpose of the forum. Let’s keep it to LB or at least RL please

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Quote: itsmeagain "He may be a toss pot and full of himself and an arrogant sh*t but there is no need to drag his wife into this as she is an innocent bystander. I think you should apologise to his wife but I agree about the rest.'"


And what about the things he has said about Hughes and members of staff unable to defend themselves?

Referring to someone I don’t even know exists as potentially not being a human and being a pig instead is hardly the same as calling someone I’ve seen a pig.

I would also suggest it’s similar to commenting on the business plan of an owner and his business that you’ve never had access to or calling someone you’ve never met ‘egotistical’.

Or is David fair game for abuse because he happens to have a different opinion to the toss pot?

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ML reading your posts suggest you are an unpleasant character.

To continue your tirade after unnecessary unpleasantries towards someones family speaks volumes. It would seem its only you that cant see that. Not even an hint of apology or acceptance of going over the mark, no, just further justification.

Enjoy your weekend.

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ML sorry mate but out of order. Me and dog or even WQ rarely agree with each other, dog might even have thrown some personal insults at me, and yes he does voice his opinions on people at the club. (Not trying to cause a discussion on this dog)
But this is a step too far fella. The comments and language you use could get you thrown off the site.
WQ well said!

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: MonkeyLover "I would also suggest it’s similar to commenting on the business plan of an owner and his business that you’ve never had access to or calling someone you’ve never met ‘egotistical’.'"


I have seen far more of the Business of London Broncos/Harlequins RL than I probably should have. I have seen the profit and loss sheets for the time 2009-2012 and it makes for horrific reading.
It includes an outgoing of £225,000 in rent to the then Landlord and a shortfall in income of between £1,875,000 and £2,123,000 in each of those 4 years. It also shows ticketing revenue needed to be £5.04 per person through the gate in 2009 to cover the cost of rent based on an actual attendance figure at the stoop of 44,670.....
When Hughes took full control of the club we had 51,000 people at games, by the time we were relegated he and his "business plan" had reduced this to fewer than 17,000, so guess what, his business plan is flawed.

As for his personality. He was REPEATEDLY advised by multiple parties that he needed to address the issue of attendances and he ignored it. Rightly or wrongly, he believed at the time that the RFL needed to contribute as he was bankrolling the THEIR expansion team in the capital. It was a game of Chicken that he lost and as a fan who paid to go to games, spent and still spends money in the shop I am a customer and therefore entitled to my opinion. Hughes is a salesman and as someone who also has plied that trade, I think it's fair to call him out for his refusal to accept that his appointing Powell and then employing MacKay as well as his decision to pull the plug after the massacre at Leigh and let's not forget the multiple warnings about attendances being ignored all combined to deliver us to where we are now....and that is his ego that has driven these decisions.....he was told Powell wasn't the right man, he didn't formally interview MacKay and then changed our name back to the broncos based on RL meaning rugby Lessons on the shirts and then moved us to a car park of a ground......this all points to him being an ego driven individual unable to accept that he has made an error.

I have no doubt that Hughes is lovely fella, but in terms of the London Broncos, he is a car-crash and that's how I have called him out....not on a personal level but on a professional one.

I am actually in awe of your ire towards me and my opinion. This is an internet forum and a place where different opinions are voiced. The fact that a decade ago we averaged 3,901 and played in a State of the Art Rugby ground in the highest competition in the country is simply mirrored now by the fact that we play at a Wedding Venue with 1 grand stand and fencing around the pitch, in the 2nd tier watched by 900 souls would point to my opinion carrying some weight.....because if you had to put your finger on the one thing that has brought us to where are now, it would have to be David Hughes.

Buddy. I really haven't insulted anyone on a personal level, unlike yourself. The need to name call my wife is a very strange tactic......were you trying to goad me into a response and attract the ire of the Moderators? If so, you failed, because as everyone knows, the need to name call and insult generally means that you've already lost the debate. Kia Oro bro......chill out!! icon_wink.gif

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