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If only we had a time machine to sort that one out. And as we don't it's rather immaterial to moving forward from where we actual are rather than where we prefer us all to be. It's a forum so you can hypothesise all you want about where we would be IF someone had done something different. Yes Hughes has made a good few mistakes and no I don't want them listed as we can find a myriad of posts by an alter ego called Gutterfax that highlights each and every one of them. But as is the queue at the ticket office on Sunday so is the queue of new saviours

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Oct a couple of years ago, the club consisted of 6 staff total, we were maybe a week away from liquidation, I didn't see anyone rushing to rescue the club certainly not the RFL why should they clubs have come and gone in the past.

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Quote: mickyb1234 " I didn't see anyone rushing to rescue the club certainly not the RFL why should they clubs have come and gone in the past.'"


I'm not sure if Hughes is any good at poker, but maybe they thought him walking away was a bluff. He didn't walk away in the end did he. Had London actually folded, who knows what would have come out of the woodwork. In my opinion, the best thing for London RL would be for Hughes to walk away.

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I don't expect anything to be done for London by the RFL. But they answered the call when Bradford were in need.
Also as a matter of interest I note that the RFL are the leaseholders on Cougar Park. The freeholder being the CO OP.

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Quote: Aachen "I'm not sure if Hughes is any good at poker, but maybe they thought him walking away was a bluff. He didn't walk away in the end did he. Had London actually folded, who knows what would have come out of the woodwork. In my opinion, the best thing for London RL would be for Hughes to walk away.'"
And the evidence to support your opinion is what exactly?

I don't know if DH is good at poker but I do know that he makes his (very good) living by a form of gambling.

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Quote: mickyb1234 "Oct a couple of years ago, the club consisted of 6 staff total, we were maybe a week away from liquidation, I didn't see anyone rushing to rescue the club certainly not the RFL why should they clubs have come and gone in the past.'"

2 Years ago the damage was already done......there really wasn't anything worth saving. 2 Seasons at the Hive will have been witnessed by less than 1/4 of a season at the stoop in 2008.
Back in 2008/09 we were worth saving. We had massive potential and looked like we were finally going to do things right.........


Quote: mickyb1234 "And the evidence to support your opinion is what exactly?

I don't know if DH is good at poker but I do know that he makes his (very good) living by a form of gambling.'"


Brokering isn't gambling. It's buying cheap and selling on at a profit.

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Quote: Jim Pooley "
Brokering isn't gambling. It's buying cheap and selling on at a profit.'"
As I said, a form of gambling.

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So where are we moving to?

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Quote: wire-quin "So where are we moving to?'"

Ask Jaybs......it's that interested in the subject he's hijacked the Haven Thread to bring it up d040.gif

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Quote: BroncOnIon "And the evidence to support your opinion is what exactly?'"


My opinion is based on what transpired (Hughes did not walk) and the current state of London. Rumoured to now be making yet another move! Nobody knows for sure what would have happened had Hughes walked. It didn't happen. I think London now needs a new investor and a stable home to thrive. I can't see how a club can attract quality players and staff or build supporter numbers without it. How long has Hughes committed investment for now?

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Quote: Aachen " How long has Hughes committed investment for now?'"

He committed to 3 years in 2011 and nearly reneged on the last year of that, so I'd take anything that the guy says with a pinch of salt.

According to his mouthpiece on here, "David" is putting more effort and money into the club. I suspect that's because he used his noted business acumen to give up all income streams associated with match day (30k a game and 390k in total in 2012)in return for no rent (200k in 2012).

You are right that the club needs stability, but it would seem that Hughes is incapable of delivering that or employing the correct people into key positions at the Club to deliver it for him. Joe Grima was supposed to have recruited a side capable of getting us back into SL this year......Blanchard and then Mackay bled the club dry of fans and sponsors....these are three examples of Hughes "hand picked" employees.

I know how much he invested between 2008 - 2012 and I can pretty accurately calculate his total investment in the club to date, but at what stage do we say,

"thanks for the effort David, but you've already flushed 20 million down the pan and have nothing to show for it other than failure......it's time for you to go" before handing him a lifetime match ticket and inducting him into the hall of fame?

If he walks next year and we are at Trailfinders ground, then I believe we can survive in the bottom 8 or maybe C1 as a semi-pro club.......not the legacy that Hughes wants but probably what he deserves.

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Quote: Aachen "My opinion is based on what transpired (Hughes did not walk) and the current state of London. Rumoured to now be making yet another move! Nobody knows for sure what would have happened had Hughes walked. It didn't happen. [sizeI think London now needs a new investor and a stable home to thrive.[/size I can't see how a club can attract quality players and staff or build supporter numbers without it. How long has Hughes committed investment for now?'"
But there's the rub. The stable home has been an unfulfilled dream for years. And who might this new investor be? Unless you know that DH has been approached? Possible of course but hard to believe that he'd turn down any financial assistance and commitment.

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I was told that there were some big announcements to come in the next few weeks.
The big one has to be where we shall play next season. Would not be drawn on that though.
Lets see how things unfold, sooner rather than later would be better.

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London looking for a new home is now an annual event ...North, South, East, West who decides? Its like a game of roulette....

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Quote: Jim Pooley "He committed to 3 years in 2011 and nearly reneged on the last year of that, so I'd take anything that the guy says with a pinch of salt'"


With that sort of instability, then no wonder London cannot attract the type of players it needs to make an impact. Given a choice of clubs, why would any quality player looking for a future (rather than with one foot in retirement) choose to relocate to the club a couple of hundred miles down South.

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