You need to learn this as a kid. if defense isnt second nature by the time you are a pro, it never will be.

I disagree on this, it's not that he can't do it, he can and does most of the time, it's just the odd lapse when his instinct to come out of the line and put the hit on gets the better of him. And there are examples of players who do iron these things out of their game as they mature, Keith Senior is one example. Players even learn how to play entirely new roles.

I think this is a top signing.

Playing Chad and Andy 20 minutes each half should give us much quicker ruck speed, more and varying options, and faster distribution.

Just what we lacked for the back half of the season.

Disagree - he can't pass

Can he kick? Can he play as a half back for that matter. Im very disapointed this season with Orr and Gale

.....and will never be a decent centre -ever

He will end up as a prop- laugh all you will.

He cant defend, beat a man other than trying to go over him, make simple passes never mind Gidley like back door passes & he has no peripheral vison(runs head down)

Agreed

... are you talking about Kirk Yeaman? I could have sworn Clubb was being discussed!

I think we should be discussing Ellis our new shining light!!!

Totally agree - maybe he is the reason we haven't signed an additional prop ???

quality.

The only British centres in the last 20 years to come up anywhere near Gidley's standard are Connolly and Newlove in their pomp, so comparing Clubby is a bit of a stretch.

In another side Clubb would probably have converted to a proper second-row by now, we've seen how explosive he can be in that position, with his strong running, using his strenth, speed and determination to go through people. But that's not our style, outside of a handful of games in the first half of last season we lack the creativity (and the orgnisers) to play a fluent attacking game which could make use of such a player. BM signings have made very clear the kind of plodding, grafting, attritional game plan we're going to play (which served us so well in the second half of last season, not!), with our unrivalled wealth of middle of the road second-row forwards.

The reason we haven't signed a prop is because we'll get Oliver Wilkes to play there, with Temata, LMS and Ward making up the other regular props. Who knows we might see Matt James in the mix too, although I'm not convinced he's got the size we're missing. And when we get an injury crisis Joe Mbu will be called in to show everyone else what making an effort actually looks like.

as a fan of a Championship club Halifax.

I have seen Andy Ellis play all year and he has been so consistent all year, certainly deserved to win the player of the year award for the championship.

he is a good player, super league standard well i guess you guys will find that out next year, i dont think he is any better than Ben Black at Halifax but he might do well. he certainly has the potential full of gial and craft and can take advantage of quck play the balls.

i think he will go good for you next year. i'm just glad you went for him instead of Ben Black at Fax, Cas were sniffing round him earlier in season..

back to Ellis though, i think he will shock a few people next year.