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Quote: east stander "He was a No 2 at the Storm behind a great coach with what turned out to be a great No 3(McGuire). With NZ he has been clever enough to bring in the best coach thats ever coached RL as an "assistant". Being a No 1 is different. He may not have the managerial capacity to do it(which is the gamble ie Walters at Catalans etc). Although only one example, look at what Noble and McGuire did at Wigan with the same (ish) resources(players)
They do learn more because the game is bigger in Aus than it is here. Football coaches in UK will learn more about football than lets say Iceland. Thats because more is invested into the science & infrastructure amongst other areas of the game.'"
To start. Kearney was not No 2 and Macguire 3 at Melbourne. They were both assistants and had different responsibilities.
"They do learn more because the game is bigger in oz". You believe that ES. It's exactly the mentality that keeps us and the game where it is, looking up at them. And guess what. It's nonsense. But belief is a large part of it. You ask the Australian National Football team if they thought that before beating England 3-1 that England learnt more because it's bigger.
I'd love to talk to an England RL side who came out here. I'd love to get people who have played in both comps to talk to them. Or were coaches, trainers, conditioners, physios. etc. etc. We fans, don't know this, we just see our national side not beating the aussies in a series. And we believe they are superior in every department including coaching.
Overall it's the capability of the individual rather than where he comes from or how good he played. a la Meninga, Lewis, Fittler. etc. etc. with the flip side being someone like Maguire who was a reserve grade player and only played around 18 or so first grade games in 7 years.
Sorry to harp on, but I do find it frustrating people's perceptions of the mighty aussies back home. Maybe ask an Adrian Morley or a Gareth Ellis when he gets back to talk about a big difference.
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Quote: east stander "He was a No 2 at the Storm behind a great coach with what turned out to be a great No 3(McGuire). With NZ he has been clever enough to bring in the best coach thats ever coached RL as an "assistant". Being a No 1 is different. He may not have the managerial capacity to do it(which is the gamble ie Walters at Catalans etc). Although only one example, look at what Noble and McGuire did at Wigan with the same (ish) resources(players)
They do learn more because the game is bigger in Aus than it is here. Football coaches in UK will learn more about football than lets say Iceland. Thats because more is invested into the science & infrastructure amongst other areas of the game.'"
To start. Kearney was not No 2 and Macguire 3 at Melbourne. They were both assistants and had different responsibilities.
"They do learn more because the game is bigger in oz". You believe that ES. It's exactly the mentality that keeps us and the game where it is, looking up at them. And guess what. It's nonsense. But belief is a large part of it. You ask the Australian National Football team if they thought that before beating England 3-1 that England learnt more because it's bigger.
I'd love to talk to an England RL side who came out here. I'd love to get people who have played in both comps to talk to them. Or were coaches, trainers, conditioners, physios. etc. etc. We fans, don't know this, we just see our national side not beating the aussies in a series. And we believe they are superior in every department including coaching.
Overall it's the capability of the individual rather than where he comes from or how good he played. a la Meninga, Lewis, Fittler. etc. etc. with the flip side being someone like Maguire who was a reserve grade player and only played around 18 or so first grade games in 7 years.
Sorry to harp on, but I do find it frustrating people's perceptions of the mighty aussies back home. Maybe ask an Adrian Morley or a Gareth Ellis when he gets back to talk about a big difference.
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Shall we simplify it;
Why have Potter, McGuire, Smith, Robinson, Brown, Waite been successful during stints in the UK?
Why are most of the top teams coached by Aussies?
Hate it all you will, its fact. The game in Aus is more advanced because its a bigger sport than in UK and has more resources thrown at it-You cant get away from that.
You ask the Australian National Football team if they thought that before beating England 3-1 that England learnt more because it's bigger.
You argument about a one of soccer event shows you dont understand the argument. The Aus football league is no where near as strong as the soccer league in UK. If we held a SL style league against league event with Chelsea Man U, City etc they would thrash every Aus team they played because soccer is huge here, huge resources and very advanced compared to the non league soccer in Aus-Do you see where I'm coming from? Mancini would win the soccer league in Aus should he go there after Man City as would Fergie, Wenger etc beacuse of the skills they have learnt in the best comp in the world.
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "To start. Kearney was not No 2 and Macguire 3 at Melbourne. They were both assistants and had different responsibilities.
"They do learn more because the game is bigger in oz". You believe that ES. It's exactly the mentality that keeps us and the game where it is, looking up at them. And guess what. It's nonsense. But belief is a large part of it. You ask the Australian National Football team if they thought that before beating England 3-1 that England learnt more because it's bigger.
I'd love to talk to an England RL side who came out here. I'd love to get people who have played in both comps to talk to them. Or were coaches, trainers, conditioners, physios. etc. etc. We fans, don't know this, we just see our national side not beating the aussies in a series. And we believe they are superior in every department including coaching.
Overall it's the capability of the individual rather than where he comes from or how good he played. a la Meninga, Lewis, Fittler. etc. etc. with the flip side being someone like Maguire who was a reserve grade player and only played around 18 or so first grade games in 7 years.
Sorry to harp on, but I do find it frustrating people's perceptions of the mighty aussies back home. Maybe ask an Adrian Morley or a Gareth Ellis when he gets back to talk about a big difference.
 coaches and players who make it to the very top in oz are better cos there's far more competition. Our top players are good enough to compete ish, but our top coaches really aren't IMO.
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| Quote: mickyb1234 "Bailey's brother is part of the club'"
Or at the very least he is counted on the attendance, we need all the help we can get, in every department. |
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "yeah, you believe that.'"
did your Irony meter not give you a clue as to my meaning? |
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| Quote: wire quin "Why are most of the top teams coached by Aussies?'"
Because people back home think they must be better, look to Oz first before giving someone in the UK a chance. When really they are not. It's a continual, recycling self-fulfilling prophecy we have. Someone has to win. Even an English coach like McDermott. And out of the traditionally big UK clubs, WIgan are top with an English coach. How come? Is he a good coach, or he has the troops or what?
Quote: wire quin "Hate it all you will, its fact. The game in Aus is more advanced because its a bigger sport than in UK and has more resources thrown at it-You cant get away from that.'"
I don't hate it. I don't totally agree with it. How are you quantifying it's more advance?
Quote: wire quin "Mancini would win the soccer league in Aus should he go there after Man City as would Fergie, Wenger etc beacuse of the skills they have learnt in the best comp in the world.'"
We don't know that. That's a theory of yours. Completely based on an another impression that you have and nothing that could be proven until it happened.
I know I won't convince many people back home, because they can point to what's in black and white. ie. results. However, if we didn't hire the aussie coaches in the first place, someone will always finish top and bottom.
There are too many back home who have the ingrained notion about an aussie superiority and more significantly a British inferiority. The quicker that gets challenged and eroded, the better. But people have to come here to really see it. That's why people should ask the UK players that have played here. You don't have to ask the Morleys, ask the Flanagans, Tanseys, Mathers and Worrincys of the world about it. |
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "Because people back home think they must be better, look to Oz first before giving someone in the UK a chance. When really they are not. It's a continual, recycling self-fulfilling prophecy we have. Someone has to win. Even an English coach like McDermott. And out of the traditionally big UK clubs, WIgan are top with an English coach. How come? Is he a good coach, or he has the troops or what?
I don't hate it. I don't totally agree with it. How are you quantifying it's more advance?
We don't know that. That's a theory of yours. Completely based on an another impression that you have and nothing that could be proven until it happened.
I know I won't convince many people back home, because they can point to what's in black and white. ie. results. However, if we didn't hire the aussie coaches in the first place, someone will always finish top and bottom.
There are too many back home who have the ingrained notion about an aussie superiority and more significantly a British inferiority. The quicker that gets challenged and eroded, the better. But people have to come here to really see it. That's why people should ask the UK players that have played here. You don't have to ask the Morleys, ask the Flanagans, Tanseys, Mathers and Worrincys of the world about it.'"
The 2 worst coaches in SL by some distance are Powell and Betts. |
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| Quote: Tre Cool "The 2 worst coaches in SL by some distance are Powell and Betts.'"
Based on what? You having played under both coaches? Or their league positions? If it is their league position, does that mean the best coach is the one in first place then? So the English geezer at Wigan then! Or the one that won the title last year?
Look I know I'm not going to convince many in the UK who have been brought up being told how great the aussies are in all RL departments. I accept that. |
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As far as British coaches are concerned, I'd imagine that our problem is location. Given the insecurity surrounding the job (even more so than for players) I can't see anyone being prepared to move South when if they don't succeed they could be out of a job possibly within a year. As far as Australian coaches are concerned, even clubs down under can be taken in by a good publicity machine - look at all the praise Brian Smith gets and he's won diddly squat in his coaching career!
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "Based on what? You having played under both coaches? Or their league positions? If it is their league position, does that mean the best coach is the one in first place then? So the English geezer at Wigan then! Or the one that won the title last year?
Look I know I'm not going to convince many in the UK who have been brought up being told how great the aussies are in all RL departments. I accept that.'"
do you really need an explanation as to why betts and powell are the 2 worst coaches in SL if your going to have powell coaching you for the rest of the season you should make sure its darryl |
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David Hughes is pretty blunt in the match programme for today's game:
"Each player has got to look at his own performance: they're not standing up as individuals, nor playing for each other as a team. On behalf of myself I can only apologise to our supporters for their ineptitude."
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Well said DH. Its a pity he didn't say something sooner as many people on here have been saying we were rudderless and he didn't care and was just running the club into the ground. Clearly he does care!
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All this aussie V english coaches: Look who won the Grand Final...... Leeds ....coached by the same coach we rubbished when he was down here!
This London team have to stand up and take responsibility and RP has to face it that he can't motivate to save his life. Looking at the body language as the teams came out of the dressing room at Hudds - he was skulking behind others looking at the floor. He's pathetic.
And it was selective 'camerarderie' and backslapping from some players. Just watch it again if you didn't wipe it in disgust.
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| Quote: Surreyben "David Hughes is pretty blunt in the match programme for today's game
I can't recall any chairman/coaches comments coming anywhere near that. Well said David Hughes. Here's hoping it produces results 
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "Based on what? You having played under both coaches? Or their league positions? If it is their league position, does that mean the best coach is the one in first place then? So the English geezer at Wigan then! Or the one that won the title last year?
Look I know I'm not going to convince many in the UK who have been brought up being told how great the aussies are in all RL departments. I accept that.'"
Based on them both being incapable of motivating and organising a SL squad to even compete in nearly all their games this year. NOT their league position which is another matter. Betts and Powell wouldn't get near a top job in the NRL. Wane seems ok but too early to tell, McDermott still isn't a top coach for me Leeds are mid table again this year which is not acceptable for that club. |
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