I didn't expect us to win. However I was expecting us to be more competitive. To concede 50 points is embarrassing particularly if we have any pretentions to a top 8 place. Wire did not in the regular season last year post 50 points on any club getting into the top 8. In facd they lost to both the Hull clubs who finished 7th and 8th. Out of the bottom 6 only Salford didn't concede 50 points at Wire, in fact they won.

Just back after a long weekend up north. First half wasn't too bad, the second half was depressing. I thought Wire were excellent for much of the match, but thought they knocked off a bit in the second half to my eyes - something Wire supporting friends agreed with. If we are correct that makes the second half capitulation even more embarrassing.

Our inability to keep ourselves out of penalty trouble was only ever going to hurt us, throw in the knock ons etc and we were making it rather impossible for ourselves. Our style at times seemed to be a little too much like the Tony Rea spoiling tactics of old. I didn't much like it then and still don't like it.

Our attack did worry me a little. We seemed to be a bit too obvious today and rarely looked like scoring. In fact we rarely looked like posing questions never mind scoring. Hopefully that was due to Wire being just too good and not a problem for the whole season. There was certainly a contrast between Wires offloading and our lack of offloading.

I spent Saturday evening watching my ice hockey team lose 9-1 in Manchester and my football team lost 5-1 at home to their local rivals on Sunday. All in all a weekend to forget on the sporting front for me.

Didn't travel to Warrington so can't comment too much, but if fitness was a problem then I'm concerned. The new fitness coach was at Huddersfield last season so should know what he's doing.

I'm a believer in letting fitness improve over the season rather than hitting round 1 at peak and failing to sustain it. I'm happy to leave the new guy - someone with 15-20 years' experience with elite athletes - to get on with preparing the players in whichever way he see fit.

That said, I don't think we should be making life harder for the forwards by opting for a back on the bench and using just three props.

Agreed.....we need 4 forwards on the bench - end of.

We have cover within the starting 13 should a back take a knock - e.g. Clubb, Bailey, Cook - would just be a case of shifting a few things about, which although not ideal isn't impossible to sort.

The issue of only having 3 forwards on the bench is always going to result in the same thing - knackered performance in the second half. Especially as we're down to 10 interchanges this season, we're expecting the forwards to work even harder.

Well let`s hope he has got his act together by round 25, just in time for the last couple of rounds......that will show everyone we mean business. Will be just the lift needed for next years season ticket sales......oh hang on, the increased fan base and ticket sales was meant to be this year

The positivity after the Saints game didn't last long, Uts

Bronco Billy - the Manly team were at the Wire game too (are you looking for a refund on your train tix for Hull yet?)

Agree it was a disappointing result and the second half sounded v poor indeed. Thought the days of us getting hammered were over.

With 9 new players in the team plus Howell who hasn't played for 7 months (and only played 14 games last year anyway) it was always going to be a tough ask playing the best team in the league (we must have the toughest start of all teams Thanks RFL)

Think we would have more of an idea of how we are if we had played the teams that are in the same boat as us (Wakey and Widnes who also have new teams).

Let's see how things are start of April.

It worked for Leeds last year with Peacock and MGuire hitting form post there injuries just in time for the playoffs

We only lost to Hull FC at home and the salford game we lost had about 9 players from our first team playing for england or the Exiles the night before.

Thinking that we will morph into Leeds at some stage in the season is just stretching optimism a tad too far

The team we beat twice last year, Uts?

If only we had a great coach like Brian Mac...