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| Quote: "I'm quoting Churchill here; this is how bad we have taken a few comments, when the real line from Hughes is that he wants another Lenagan to come in and relieve the burden. Does anyone here seriously believe that there will not be a Super League club in London next year?'"
here! Here! - it is a worry, but a few comments do not mean its certain death, i am going to start buying a euro lottery ticket and when i win 80 squillion i will happily back Mr hughes................................
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| Quote: Homer "What minor point? read your first post back, entirely different subject to one of attendances............to help..........it costs more to live in London and the home counties than it does in Castleford, so yeah if we have to abide by a cap, any London club should have a small dispensation [same as london weighting] to assist players with living costs............so it matters not one iota whether there are 3000 or 30000 in the stadium, we can still only spend up to the cap.
Player A from a northern club is valued at £80k
We offer him £80k as do Cas.
He knows in real terms his 80k is worth closer to £72k in spending terms down South.
Is that fair?'"
It may be worth noting that QRL probably (actually do) have to pay a london weighting to players which is included in the salary cap. Say this was £10K per player, straight away have to pay out £250K of the cap!
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| Quote: Londo06 "Does anyone here seriously believe that there will not be a Super League club in London next year?'"
Yes, frankly I'm beginning to wonder.
If there are no issues why haven't details of season tickets for 2011 been released? We are only two weeks from the last home match at which I would guess many fans would like to renew.
The promised fans forum has never materialised and given the deathly silence from the club one can only wonder if they are avoiding the subject.
It could be brinksmanship on DH's behalf as he cannot be happy funding the clu and yet being the minority shareholder, but that is not going to help keeping the fanbase up if yet again the club manages to put people off rather than persuading them to buy tickets.
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| I am sure many from the likes of Widnes, Barrow, Halifax, Wakefield, Castleford and Salford would gladly kill off a competitor for a Super League place - probably any competitor - just as anyone would be happy to knock out someone else if they threatened a loved one.
Rugby League is the people's game and this means the people of England be they in the North or the South.
The Harlequins Rugby League team represents not only London but an entire half of our great nation.
I ask all people who love Rugby League - Would you genuinely divide the nation into two halves, in a West Germany / East Germany style?
What do you think the impact will be on our beloved sport of having Rugby Union as the only national code of Rugby to add to the fact that it is widely perceived as being the only credible international brand of Rugby?
I know there are many commentators with a 'small town' mentality living within the same 5 mile radius of their parent's home, and who see a trip to London as a hassle, so I do not expect to sway their opinion in any way.
I am not sure why unsupportive commentators wanting a cheap jibe knowing their SL place is guaranteed are on the Harlequins board, they are most unwelcome, after all who has not enjoyed the hospitality at the Stoop?
If you have, consider this when you make your comments. If you have not, then consider I have been to 52 of the last 54 games and I am in Kent. Do you make even a once a year effort to travel an inconvenient distance? If not, why not?
With kind regards
Mark
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| With all this talk of will we or wont be a round next season or season after that. Or where we will be playing. what happened with Brentford and the talk of them getting a new ground at Lionel Rd(i think it was), and that they might like to share the ground with a rugby club(union or league).
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| Quote: jaybs "The major sponsor of Rugby League SKY wanted the game to expand and have a presence out of the M62 Corridor, do you fully realise how much money BSkyB have invested into the game and I still think the majority of it wasted! grounds were left to crumble and become so dated, but meanwhile average players could command £50,000 salary easily, so I feel your presumption that the game does not need a team in the capital as much rubbish!
It would have been so easily for me to have supported and followed St Helens, born there and lived here all my life, supported West Ham from the age of 6 and attended the first game at Fulham and been loyal ever since, but I Believed in the development of our great game, it is a credit to the South how strong the amateur/school game is now much more popular than many Northern heartland town's.
I supported the name change, but it has not worked, I am unsure about the area and travelling time, but nothing compared to an home game for myself. I still think the game can work in London, but it needs marketing something even top clubs like St Helens can't even get right and the correct area which will build a fan base, the game has to be sold at a competitive ticket price which makes it affordable for families and so much cheaper than football. I still remember sitting in the stand for that debut game Fulham V Wigan with families including grandparents and they enjoyed and loved the game so much.
The game in the North is far too parochial people are only interested in their own clubs, these fans the ones who write the letters to the weekly rugby press need to accept and realise lose London and Crusaders, even Catalan which many would love and Sky will either reduce there money to a minimum or withdraw their support full stop, then who will pay the players wages and the costs for these new stadiums, the game could go like Wrestling did!'"
I'm not sure what your point is. My 'presumption' is the complete opposite. My point is that I agree with Sandy except for Sandy's comment implying that RL needing a team in London was rubbish - or put another way: I disagree with the view that its rubbish that RL needs a team in London. My argument is that without expansion, RL will not gain the income streams it needs to thrive in the long term etc etc & London is a key part of that expansion.
I even comment on the positive development of the youth & amateur game in London. I do not agree with some on here that the London side should be given more Sky money than others because of the costs of living in London - there are plenty of other issues that disadvantage other clubs & there's no way that everything can be evened out for everyone. But I do say that what the RFL should be looking at is supporting the marketing of the game in London. The RFL already does a fair bit with its support to the development of the youth & amateur game (& Quins RL do too), but if it matched that with support in marketing, the senior game could take some big steps forward.
Sadly I dont see that happening, & sadly I fear for SL in London - even for next season. I hope my fears are wrong, but the writing on the wall seems to be getting larger & larger with every bit of news that comes out of the Quins camp at the moment.
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| Quote: kianush "but the writing on the wall seems to be getting larger & larger with every bit of news that comes out of the Quins camp at the moment.'"
You seem to be saying more than Quins at the moment and the only thing they have said was said 72 hours ago then you must be in very close with a club whose present owner who ideally wants to scale back his outgoings on the club. I don't know where you go to read your writing on walls, or why you are reading what's written on walls, but please continue with the knowledge that Harlequins RL press or media releases are not written on walls. (Unless that is the way to save money in the future.)
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| Harlequins RL unlike many Heartland clubs has no overdraft and no bank loans.
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| Quote: Londo06 "Harlequins RL press or media releases are not written on walls. (Unless that is the way to save money in the future.)'"
You may have hit on way for Quins to spread the word. Lets be honest most men read whats on certain walls then any where else...just leave the name Quins and a phone number
sorry i know not a subject to joke about with whats happening but just a little note to lighten the mood.
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| Quote: kianush "I'm not sure what your point is. My 'presumption' is the complete opposite.
I hope my fears are wrong, but the writing on the wall seems to be getting larger & larger with every bit of news that comes out of the Quins camp at the moment.'"
That is not how I interpret what you said! and your response is even more confusing at times. As Londo06 says clearly! you seem to know more than we do who are closer to the reality of the club.
But it is funny how many Northern supporters always seem to know something, often if it unclear what they do know?
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| Quote: kianush "I'm not sure what your point is. My 'presumption' is the complete opposite. My point is that I agree with Sandy except for Sandy's comment implying that RL needing a team in London was rubbish - or put another way
let me just say this in reply, the "rugby league needs a london presence" theory is a line constantly trotted out by sky tv and it suits them as they are southern based, its a view red hall have adopted because sky are the paymasters after all and basically whatever they say the RFL will do. The london based press don't believe in this strap line if their coverage is anything to go by. I can also understand why you lads down there seize on it as a lifebelt when it comes to franchise time. I don't buy it, rugby league is alive and well and thriving in the south due to the many number of volunteers, enthusiasts and helpers who run the amateur scene, and in answer to the other poster if sky one day decide to pull out and take their bat and ball home (not to mention their cash) rugby league will carry on after all it has for a hundred and numerous years, with incidentally teams from other parts of the country than the M62 corridor!
Now having said all that I really do hope you carry on due to the fact regardless of where you are in the country you have as much if not more legitimacy of any team who might want to replace you to be in superleague, widnes, leigh, batley, barrow and featherstone don't offer more than you do to the competition at the moment. I do think going forward you'll need to move though, someone said people wont watch a losing team wherever it is but its patently obvious you wont improve your squad without bigger gates and more income.
anyway good luck for the future.
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| Quote: nottinghamtiger "As much as most want the Quins club to succeed, this is just simply unfair. As a sport, all clubs have to start on a level playing-field. Most SL clubs could do with extra finances but these cannot be given to some clubs and not to others. Cas/Wakefield/Salford could do with the RFL offering financial help to build new stadia, how is this different to financially backing Quins. Ridiculous.'"
Cas/Wakefield/Salford have had anything up to 120 years to sort themselves out and find a good financial model. Quins have had 30 and at present things are tough. If they need assistance to bridge the gap then they should be given it. Quins are not on a level playing field at present because they do not have the long history the northern clubs have; a history which ensures that people are aware of their local rugby league club even if they choose not to support it. People in London are often not even aware Quins RL exist. If they need support to change that then that's fine by me.
Meanwhile, Wakey and Cas should ground share, otherwise it is likely to end up in tears. In the Championship.
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| Its all good people saying rugby league will continue if sky pulled out but it is not as easy that. Yeah the game will continue but not like we see it!
You can forget the high salaries, new stadiums and would it would lead to top players going to the NRL. Rugby League in Europe needs sky, the RFL and every single club know's this.
Expansion has to continue people!!
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| Quote: jaybs "There is only 5% of the population of The Metropolitan Borough of St Helens interested in Saints and that is a Fact! and you think a new ground is going to turn the world around? look at the population of say Castleford and their crowds in a rubbish stadium much better than Saints and with no success.
Sky will reduce their funding if it goes to an M62 sport there is no doubts and then it will become a 10 team league and that may end up with Sky pulling out!'"
Do you not think that crowds will improve though when the new stadium is built.
You only have to look at the likes of Hull and Warrington to see that this is the case.
Saints at the moment are averaging roughly 11,000 so I would say that with the new stadium I reckon we will average 13,500 at least.
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| Okay fellas, let's be honest, Rugby League as a sport is failing.
Horrible thing to say I know, but since Union went professional, they have learnt how to get in a new fan base and League has just faded away to the point where the sport is a joke. International League is like international NFL - an oxymoron.
If League is serious, then QRL has to be supported, but calling it QRL is wrong. The club is London Broncos - as LB means something, QRL doesn't.
The RFL has to support a Professional SL London Team, otherwise the sport will die. The RFL should spend money on promoting a London Based SL club, all we need is more bums on seats and then the current problems will dissipate. Expecting the current set up to do this in isolation is not only unfair, it is wrong.
Also, News International could easily run promotions through discounted tickets, competition etc., but it doesn't which begs the question is NI interested in League any more? Union gets better crowds, better advertising revenue so what's in it for Sky?
If London fails, the sport professionally will die. Support a London side or see your teams fade away as well as Sky could easily drop the sport and plug in more Union.
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