Dropping down a division is certainly not going to help us build crowds - if we can't get above 2,000 for a game against Salford, what will our attendances be like against Championship sides? Moving to a smaller stadium will effectively rule us out of a franchise application, changing the kit and name will never happen as long as we are playing at The Stoop.

What are the options when you got an inferior product in an aggressive marketplace? We already have low ticket prices and relatively low overheads, so reducing price is not an option, but incentives matched by proper marketing can still yield results for Harlequins RL in TW2. But given that we can hardly even give it away, have we lost consumer credibility, have people who are interested in sport in general associated us with a poor team, poor crowds and as such something they would not want to go and pay to watch. A change of name may disassociate us from these falling crowds and the not uncommon view that we are owned by the only other professional rugby club in London and that we are the rugby league playing arm of Harlequins Rugby Union.

I don't understand how voluntarily dropping down a league would help the club in any way except getting more London youngsters in the first team.

1. No-one has nabbed the moniker Broncos, and given that we pay rent to Harlequin F.C. we should not feel obligated to retain the name, but it should only happen if we get another Lenagan level investor, because otherwise we are just pushing weak sh$t under a different name. Change the name, change the kit, make it look like we are the fresh new thing

2. If we can find a stadium that is cheaper, complies with Super League rules, and offers a better matchday experience then I am interested, otherwise why ditch our connect. We do need to find our home, but a real home, as the rented one is decent place, just in an area where we don't seem to be making much headwind.

3. We already are down to our hardcore support of around 1500 who watch the lesser teams come and play our team. Why risk any part of that core by voluntarily weakening everything about the club. £200 a year is a good idea because some people see us as cheap rather than value for money.

4. Drop down a league, I don't understand the benefit unless we are confident that their is absolutely no-one interested in investing in rugby league in London, then we might as well say to David Hughes, listen mate save your money we are all happy playing in the championship, and maybe some London derbies in the Northern Rail.

I'm pretty sure that in our agreement for being at The Stoop it is mentioned that we have to be called Harlequins (no London prefix either) and play in the union side's kit design.

I didn't know that, there was talk of a 3 year rent-free period and now that we pay £200k a year. I've also seen talk of a 5 year partnership written in July 2005, so I'm not sure if that if that's up or coming to an end, so we end up with four scenarios;

(a) same name, same ground
(b) new name, same ground
(c) new name, new ground
(d) new name, no ground

If the agreement is ongoing then our only option at the Stoop maybe to keep the name and improve the quality on the pitch, because off it we have pulled back; our cheer girls are exactly that, but they only have one pom pom each. Do you even call that a pom pom or is it just a pom, who knows but even our own fans are just embarrassed by this now.

Is there a link available for the agreement because there does seem to be alot of rumour and half-truths around these forums.

Switching back to London Broncos and moving ground to a dump would be the final nail in the coffin of professional Rugby League in London.

This idea isn't even worth being entertained. Luckily I'm sure the people that actually have an influence at the club have a different, and more ambitious vision, and I will be 100% supporting that vision.

For all those who don't want to see a name change and stadium move again, well tough. That is the club's plan A at the moment. All the noises coming from the RFL and the club at the moment say that. IF we can find a sensible long term stadium deal AND some new investment then great, let's stay in SL.

If not our best asset are us the fans, and if they can sell us a long term vision that starts with a drop down a division (so we can play in a cheaper stadium, have less player and admin costs) and re-build I would be more than happy to support that. All I want to see is the club doing something and selling a vision. At the moment I dont see a vision apart from waiting around to see what happens next. The Quins thing hasnt worked for me and I can't wait for us to get out (however I will be at every home game until that happens).

The clubs plan A is a name change and a stadium move? What evidence do you have to support that claim?

Why on earth do you think effectively turning into London Skolars is a good idea?

There are clearly some issues both on and off the field at Quins RL.

Some in our own game think we are owned by The Union Club, keep getting subsidies from the RFL and are exempt from the overseas player quotas. And sub 2,000 attendances only fuel the fires of the flatcapppers armed with their crayons and the League Express Letters page.

We appear to have no coherrent marketing strategy and whilst the recent promo was resonabely succesful in getting bums on seats, the follow up "activity" was poorly executed with a new "offer" arriving after the closing date to apply for it!! Now we know that is how Quins RL "marketing" works (or doesn't and are kinda accepting of this) but those who don't can only wonder what kind of third rate operation Quins RL are running. And is this the kind of sporting event that we they would attend at their own cost.

We have almost 500,000 people on our doorstop and that is where the club in particular should be selling Quins RL.

Meanwhile, we have an inexperienced coach who is clearly needing some help to get the team back on the front foot. What that is well covered in other posts.

At the end of the day this all costs money. We know that David Hughes is doing what he can but he clearly hasn't the deep pockets required to take a London SL "franchise" to the next level.

So when we wither and die then the flatcappers will be happy and the game will poorer for our demisie. And it breaks my heart to say so.................

If we drop down a division where will our players come from? Most of the current team would be off (we couldn't afford them and they would want to stay pro anyway.) That would leave us with a few who can't seal other deals and a lot of kids. We'll have no experience in key positions, we'll get trashed week in week out and probably destroy the genuinely promising players we have coming through our youth system. We won't be able to bring in experienced northern lads to assist either, who on earth is going to sign a one or two year part time contract down here when they can sign for a team a few miles down the road?

It's clear there are issues but I really don't see a future for a London team at Championship level.

Quote: We are very much part of the Super League strategy, "Gus Mackay, who left his managing director role with Surrey at The Oval to become chief executive of Harlequins, is confident the licence will be renewed until 2014. "We are very much part of the Super League strategy," says the former Zimbabwean cricketer. "We are working hard to get a further investment of half a million, either from new investors or a new sponsor. When that happens, we might have to consider changing our name to reflect that and move to a new ground. The extra money would also boost the squad." '" Here we go Listy are you still bought into the clubs plan A www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard- ... -gospel.do

Quote: We are very much part of the Super League strategy, "Gus Mackay, who left his managing director role with Surrey at The Oval to become chief executive of Harlequins, is confident the licence will be renewed until 2014. "We are very much part of the Super League strategy," says the former Zimbabwean cricketer. "We are working hard to get a further investment of half a million, either from new investors or a new sponsor. When that happens, we might have to consider changing our name to reflect that and move to a new ground. The extra money would also boost the squad." '" Here we go Listy are you still bought into the clubs plan A www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard- ... -gospel.do

Good article. Rob hits the nail on the head with this commentTo get more crowds in London, we have to get a winning side.[/i

We can run promotions, change the name, move ground whatever you like but we will be ing in the wind until we have a team that is worth watching by those beyond the hardcore fans.

If we had a regular top 4 side plenty of home wins, I reckon a lot of the union lot would lik to see what the fuss was all about. Can dream