and wonder why we are allowed to continue unpunished.

I think we fans took enough punishment over the last three seasons

Groundhog Day

True enough.

But hey, we scored 2 good tries

MMmmm, we shouldn't be hoping too much on others failings. If Northern get deducted the full 6 points, well last season, minus 6 pts and they'd still have finished 12th, above Salford and us, with Salford's reinforcing of the squad their only problem is if the RFL Salary Cap team want to see the good Doctor's books, lmao.

As to Wakey's lowered capacity, it'll only be at the start of the season, and will expand as each phase of the work is completed and it appears to be something they have budgeted for anyway. It'll only be a problem if the builders find something wrong.

I think Braford have a much stronger squad than us especially with Sammut playing for them. 6 points will not be enough. Its between us Cas and Wakey for me. Have to hope we can get it together for those critical games in the bottom group. In the very unlikely event of Bradford going under midseason and us getting Sammut we may pull it off, but if we were sitting bottom of SL we would not be his first choice.

whilst my initial post was negative and the result was depressingly familiar - all ain't lost. we we will not play Leeds every week, we have to concentrate on beating the teams around us Bradford, cas, wakes, Widnes etc. also we have players to come, so we will get better. this is a very young team, we need some experience and hopefully a positive start to the season - early thrashings will do team and the fans no good! a good stand off, and a couple of tough forwards - we might do enough!

Dream on, the die has been set a long time ago

At what stage will it sink in? Widens,Salford or Bradford hammerings or will blind optimism rule until we are down by the end of july

so gutterfax, let's nobody turn up for the Salford game we have lost already - in fact no-one buy a season ticket or bother to go to any game because we are DOOOOOMED. in fact why don't we just give up now and hand our place to someone else. total negativity in the marketing post I understand this is just negativity for negativity sake. as I said to you in an earlier post - why are you bothering? you have made your point endlessly and boringly - we are crap, the management is crap, coach is crap, players crap, stadium crap, doomed to relegation and eventually demise. how many times are you going to say it?

you may be right and when it comes to past and tell us " I told you so" but for now -why not give it a rest

so gutterfax, let's nobody turn up for the Salford game we have lost already - in fact no-one buy a season ticket or bother to go to any game because we are DOOOOOMED. in fact why don't we just give up now and hand our place to someone else. total negativity in the marketing post I understand this is just negativity for negativity sake. as I said to you in an earlier post - why are you bothering? you have made your point endlessly and boringly - we are crap, the management is crap, coach is crap, players crap, stadium crap, doomed to relegation and eventually demise. how many times are you going to say it?

you may be right and when it comes to past and tell us " I told you so" but for now -why not give it a rest

so gutterfax, let's nobody turn up for the Salford game we have lost already - in fact no-one buy a season ticket or bother to go to any game because we are DOOOOOMED. in fact why don't we just give up now and hand our place to someone else. total negativity in the marketing post I understand this is just negativity for negativity sake. as I said to you in an earlier post - why are you bothering? you have made your point endlessly and boringly - we are crap, the management is crap, coach is crap, players crap, stadium crap, doomed to relegation and eventually demise. how many times are you going to say it?

you may be right and when it comes to past and tell us " I told you so" but for now -why not give it a rest

so gutterfax, let's nobody turn up for the Salford game we have lost already - in fact no-one buy a season ticket or bother to go to any game because we are DOOOOOMED. in fact why don't we just give up now and hand our place to someone else. total negativity in the marketing post I understand this is just negativity for negativity sake. as I said to you in an earlier post - why are you bothering? you have made your point endlessly and boringly - we are crap, the management is crap, coach is crap, players crap, stadium crap, doomed to relegation and eventually demise. how many times are you going to say it?

you may be right and when it comes to past and tell us " I told you so" but for now -why not give it a rest

so gutterfax, let's nobody turn up for the Salford game we have lost already - in fact no-one buy a season ticket or bother to go to any game because we are DOOOOOMED. in fact why don't we just give up now and hand our place to someone else. total negativity in the marketing post I understand this is just negativity for negativity sake. as I said to you in an earlier post - why are you bothering? you have made your point endlessly and boringly - we are crap, the management is crap, coach is crap, players crap, stadium crap, doomed to relegation and eventually demise. how many times are you going to say it?

you may be right and when it comes to past and tell us " I told you so" but for now -why not give it a rest

Gosh some on here show optimism in their posts. Doesn't mean they don't realise the reality. But carry on anyway.

Personal view, we'll struggle to win a game or keep opposition to less than 30. Optimistically I hope they win at least 8 games this season. So should I just post the former or the latter?