Completely agree with Listy.

Even if you wanted to give Gower a break, there isn't anyone to replace him. Do remember, RR, we have 8 senior players unavailable and probably Sargi not 100% either.

On subject of injuries, Gower is one tough dude. When you think he had the knee recon pre-season and yet turns out every week. Shame we didn't get him a couple of years earlier.

Back on topic, not at all surprised about the result really. I know TR won't make any excuses but when you compare the personnel of both teams, we would have needed a miracle to win that game. How many internationals (or ex) in that Saints team...8? And we had 8 Londoners of whom 4 have made their SL debut this season. (there were more Southerners than Scousers on the pitch last night)

TBH, i think it could have been a lot worse when you see some of the thrashings Sts have dished out on other clubs. Just a shame we couldn't have scored a try, as this is the first time we have been nilled this season.

Anyhoo, expect us to do a bit better next week and hopefully, we may have one or two players back.

There are a number calling for Oscar Thomas to get a run out. Never seen him play but if Gower needed a rest then its a pity we didnt take the opportunity. This is what Saints, Wigan etc do, especially when theres little at stake. No one expects us to beat Saints but its important we try to finish our season at home with a win so we cant play him against HKR.

Well, I have faith in TR's judgement and I think if you'd have chucked in another debutant into that game, things could have got really ugly.

If we'd conceded 80 points last night, would have been an even stiffer task next week, imo. We do need to keep a little bit of momentum going if we can.

Just to let you know Scousers are from Liverpool not St Helens.

i really should not post tired!!
Gower did not play badly last night! The team generally were half a second off in timing, no-one to take any of Gowers offloads! what we did do was set up by Gower, kicking was not the best but a lot of that is pressure from the defence.
Dixon was the shining light on the night. Agree Caro showed his inexperience a couple of times but he is still a kid
resting Gower why? he runs the team out on the pitch, the only try we had was a cclassic poachers try for Dorn but that half a second timing out and ruled forward

As for the try from Wellens on the 60th min, it was the TJ AND the IG that indicated a grounding of the ball, I was sat in line but near the back of the stand did n ot look like it was grounded, but the two that did see the grounding were both less than 10mtrs away so hey ho, be interesting to see it on telly on sunday night tho

There's only one Craig Gower - I claim my prize!

Really? Well I never.

Was at the game and just arrived home after a weekend break. I would like ayone who watches all the tries to let me know whether or not either of Wellans tries were actual tries. From where we were behind the sticks one try looked like he dropped the ball before he grounded it and the other looked way short of the line. Most of us behind the sticks agreed no tries but I would like anyone who watches to let me know whether they were or were not true tries. Paddock was so digusted with the decisons he was comical to watch and one of the highlights of the evening. As for Gower - well I think he is nothing short of a petulant bad tempered child. London tried hard but nothing came off and far too many penalties given away, we lost because we were not good enough to win but for Gower to storm off and ignore London fans and not even shake the hand of opposition players beggars belief. Grow up Gower, no one wants to lose but you should never show such bad sportsmanship it was very poor behaviour from a senior player and not one I would want the young lads to pick up on.

Ah well, 3 teams have had worse floggings than us (not much consolation but still.......)

Let's hope HKR won't have anything to play for next week!.

I was surprised at the lack of atmosphere on Friday

Considering there was over 13 thousand Saints fans there, they were very quiet

We were never going to win, you could tell that after 10 mins

I agree with the comments about Wellen's tries - neither were grounded

we were staying up north and decided to go to the Bulls game - after all it couldn't get any worse.....

QB - you do suffer for your sport

Still, at least you had all those good years as a Bulls fan.

Where the hell are the Broncos good years? Seems like every years a false dawn!

Really, Cockneys don't come from Watford?

Deary me, it was a jokey reference...I'm fully aware of where Scousers and Cockneys come from.

Didn't realise quite how touchy you Northerners are.

really, northerners touchy, surely not!