Tims got an e mail today so that's more than nothing! What got the crowd at skolars? Marketing? They didn't try and tempt me to come! Did skolars get 1500 because it was going to be a sporting spectacle of two teams competing for honours? Or did 1500 people turn up because it was a first? Thoughts?
It had a USP of being an historic fixture that's it. That game promoted itself!

Any newcomers to rugby league who went to that game, how many do you think would be likely to come back? Let's be serious it was not a great game of rugby league, not really a classic to grab the enthusiasm of a new supporter.

What's the USP of our game? You can only have one FIRST competitive pro game.

As for my bizarre preference, you obviously choose not to read my post, all I ask is who do you promote the game too? What's the point in sending marketing to me, I am coming anyhow, I would suggest you are the same.

We will never know the answer to this, but had the wolfpack game been this week, rather than last week and the second game rather than the historic first would the crowd have still been as good?

Their first competitive game was Siddall not Skolars.

I'd suggest had it been the other way around Broncos would have seen a decent gate as RL fans would come along anyway. Probably not as big as we though as they reached out beyond the RL community into the expat Canadian community and turned it into an event. I doubt Broncos would have done that. You are quite right in saying marketing needs to go beyond those already committed to attending.

It does if you buy a ticket Mick!!

I would definitely not just have come anyway, I hardly get to games these days but was going to come and bring some others as it's Toronto and should be a close game. BUT I'm seriously thinking of not coming now as there'll be no buzz around the game as i was expecting, if the Broncos don't try to sell it. If a new Canadian club with a real buzz around it and some good quality players isnt worth a go at selling to people what is? Lots of neutral RL fans would be tempted and there are thousands and thousands in the SE. The sort that go in their droves to CC finals and England internationals but not regular club games. Sell it FFS!

Confused here! So the crowd is more important than the rugby, find that quite confusing.

As far as the media and everyone else in the game was concerned the first professional game for wokfpack was last week, siddal are an amateur club!

Anyhow let's just hope it's a good game however many turn up.

Halfdan, i think you misunderstood me, question I was asking was had Toronto first game have been drawn differently and if they had played Whitehaven last week and had skolars this week woukd skolars have been able to generate the interest they did. Last week was a first it can never be repeated hence the interest.

Skolars wasn't their first competitive game, Siddal was. Skolars was their first league game.

Skolars did get a lucky break in getting the first league game bit deserve credit for what they did with it. Would Broncos have done the same?

Thought I said first professional game my bad.
As for broncos it's an irrelevant question they are in different competitions! So it could not have happened
So what was the hull kr gate? What was the Bradford gate? The CC game is a championship team playing a NL 1 team what's the USP if it was that interesting BBC woukd have come for a look, reality is there are better news stories in Haydock
What's special that will drag folk in on a Friday night as opposed to any other game?

You keep stating this as undisputed fact but the Broncos crowds disappeared long before the club was relegated, and to a large extent even before the losing set in. There was a long term decline in crowds caused by the club itself in the way it was run and the way it treated fans. Hardcore fans btw, people who'd been going for years and years.

Of course having a successful team helps but it's a very, very long way from the full story with regards to London Broncos.

Naderia I get that. I suppose it's an attitude to the game.

For me I cannot understand the thing of walking away from the sport you love because you don't like the owner or back room staff, I don't get this "how fans are treated thing" not sure what people expect.
But for me rugby league has always been turning up at the gate paying my money watching 80mins of rugby and going home. It's never been about getting drunk, post match entertainment etc etc. News about the club for me has been through whatever media was available at the time be it paper press, or these days the ww interweb. I dont need them to be calling me or messaging me to tell me when they are playing and who i can find that out myself easily. Who runs and how the club is run has always been and always will be out of my hands, so what's the point is stamping my feet about it.
So again,I say this is me and my views on the game How do I expect the club to treat me? Give me what I pay for which is 80mins of rugby league every now and again. If the club provide somewhere to watch the game, provide a way of me knowing when games are, and provide the right number of blokes to throw the ball about the pitch, that's it. I don't expect em to molly cuddle me, I don't demand that they tell me how they fund it or run the business etc etc. For me I don't care about post match entertainment or which band us playing. So far the club in my eyes have achieved that, agree moving around has not been ideal, but it's not them treating me badly it's them trying to provide me what I ask for. If the club take my needs re the ground for etc, then someone else's needs are not being met.
If the club need my opinion then they will ask me.
If for other folk what's happening away from the pitch us more important than the 80 mins of rugby then fine, but you can't change it, so you either accept it and still enjoy the sport. Or walk away and deny yourself the sport.
Again for me it's the sport that's important! I feel sorry for those that have the other view they are denying themselves tge live sport experience.

Mickey for lots of people in many sports the game is only part of the day. For many, this is there one day out every 2 weeks so they do like to meet with mates, have food, have a chat, possibly a beer (I note how you exaggerate the have a beer to getting drunk which seems to be your typical extended approach) If its important to the club to have an income then they will need to attract part time fans, female fans, youngsters, disabled fans, fans that don't know the sport like you, as you may note be a typical fan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing

Mickey for lots of people in many sports the game is only part of the day. For many, this is there one day out every 2 weeks so they do like to meet with mates, have food, have a chat, possibly a beer (I note how you exaggerate the have a beer to getting drunk which seems to be your typical extended approach) If its important to the club to have an income then they will need to attract part time fans, female fans, youngsters, disabled fans, fans that don't know the sport like you, as you may note be a typical fan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing

Exiled, I take your point, but just firing the question back, the things you talk about at out current ground and our two previous grounds when has this nit been the case?
All 3 had a bar/cafe and somewhere to gather pre and post match to get refreshments chat meet friends etc at the stoop we had face painting for kids etc, at Trailfinders am sure they have that sort of stuff, Barnet am not sure so can't comment.
Using Barnet as our low point, we had the bar/cafe gathering area, they had food available they had tv showing live sport, ok very little interaction with the players but that's the only real difference.
I still don't see how the club ever denied anyone the opportunity to have the whole match day out. Whatever age gender or physical abilities.

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If we are relying solely on away fans (Bradford, Hull KR) to raise gates to an even vaguely acceptable level then we may as well give up. Perhaps we could do what All Golds have done and switch matches to northern venues, we can really shout about our crowds then and we don't even need to market the game. On second thoughts scratch that, the club might think it's a good idea.

I'm pretty sure that had London been able to play at a suitable time for the Beeb it would have been on TV. They are both interesting back stories but one, if Oldham go for it, will be a mis-match. The other one probably won't be. People tend to switch off mis-matches, something the Beeb sports team won't want given there will be a review of the streaming of early CC rounds held later to see if the cost can be justified next year.