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| Good luck to Joey in whatever he does next.Ive no doubt he had the best intentions for the club at all times.
Agree with those that believe Hendo will be promoted.
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| Quote: CrusaderPete "Goulding didn't exactly set Barrow alight, though he did reasonably well at Rochdale.
As for ex-players, Matterson has some experience......Whats Peter Gill up to these days?
Sean Edwards anyone?'"
I would love Sean Edwards as coach but he is out of league these days alas.
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| We've got Hendo, Powell and Danny Ward and 7 more coaching support staff.
Between them we have the training ground and gym covered. They could work together more co-operatively on the first team for a while, think we have enough to give them a chance for a while and view Super Leagues first sackings with interest?
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| Considering we were spending the past month trying to convince JG to stay I would like to think we had a contingency plan in place if/when he finally did go. I can see Henderson being given a proper go myself. He has said he will looking at the squad over the next few weeks to see what we need, that does not seem like someone expecting the job short term. That statement did worry me a little though as surely he should know what the squad needs/where we are lacking, he has been here since pre season!!!
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| I still find it odd as left so suddenly (like Tony Rea) after categorically saying at the clubs open training session he (and Hendo) were in it for the two years he was signed. Wasn't Sammut playing because he know Joey from the Maltese side and before duel reg was confirmed with Wakey? Then Joey wasn't present at the Leigh game with someone stating he was ill. Bizarre.
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| It is a mystery what has gone on, that is for sure.
The timeline in published sources appears to show that Joey has wanted to leave since the start of the season; that he needs to return to Australia and heavily hints have been dropped in that Grima or a close family member has a serious problem, perhaps a medical one, which they do not want to disclose.
Grima has been involved with the club just over a year and although history will show just one league win in about twenty games he has always been an entirely decent guy trying his best to rebuild the club, just has Tony Rea did, really working to repair the damage done from the leadership above him.
If you look at a very well run club like Leigh, they have managed to get their recruitment pretty much perfect by cherry-picking players from their best part-time rivals, getting in for the better SL players released in their Geographical catchment area of Lancashire and Yorkshire with a sprinkling of club developed players also in there.
It is also true they have been building up for for 10 seasons in the same league and have incrementally improved.
By comparison, rather than follow this model, we have as a club gone a long way away. From a retention perspective, senior players were offered reduced contracts whilst club-trained players a deal without the included housing. Yet again the cupboard was bare when it would not have been implausible we could have retained some players who left, though as a club we have been generally foolish over the past few years, such as the disgraceful decision to release Oliver Wilkes for Jarrod Hickey and to release Andy Ellis whilst keeping on players well past their best.
We seemed to have signed players based on international Rugby League games, like the European Championships, whilst in one or two cases old mates of Joey seemed to have rang up and asked to join. I'm sure they may have a point to prove, but they don't all look like proving their point.
We've been left with a very ecletic mix of players from many places and leagues many of who look less keen on the blood and thunder Rugby League on a freezing Yorkshire afternoon with a less conditioned but sizeable player in their face.
If we looked at Joey's recruitment and retention he has about half a squad of good signings with Brad Dwyer, Rhys Williams and Rhys Lovegrove who are all Super League standard plus of course Mathers and Harrison, whilst Naiqama has been quiet so far and Riley has been unfit. Slyney, Jon Wallace and Dollapi are probably the best players retained altough Wicks, Everett, Macani and Walker all have potential.
If we are to build for Super League, especially if our partner is a near-certain Super 8 rival, then we cannot count on the player being available should we make the top 8. Needless to say all supporters would rather win with borrowed players than lose to a team with let's say 4 or 5 on loan by not taking advantage of the rule, but it is not sustainable as a foundation.
In the halves where we have unproven youths and of the two senior players one has a long term injury and we were told by the RFL not to sign him and look elsewhere whilst one didn't play well pre-season having previously been a shocker on our shores. There's no one of our own with a good kicking game. I can imagine rival clubs looking at us with disdain having to use Dual Registration with what looks like poor forward planning.
Most of the players I've not mentioned by name have not shown they are better than mid-to-bottom end Championship standard.
Moving forward, I would hope the new manager introduces more aggression to the side; more battle-hardened players.
I don't mind Andrew Henderson getting a shot, he's got some winnable games coming up too.
Cheers
Mark
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| Really nice bloke but did he go before he was pushed.
Give Hendo the job. Real rugby league man. Can't be worse than some of the recent incumbents.
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| Quote: alanw "Some people on Twitter seem to think Bobbie Goulding is interested in the job. He's said (allegedly) that he would be up for it, as claims we have a good squad just need a few dogs in it
Here's BG's tweet from a couple of hours ago:
Bobbie Goulding @Goulding7
I would love the oppurtinity to talk with @LondonBroncosRL about the coaching job. Would love the challenge in getting them back to SL
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| Quote: markrammond "It is a mystery what has gone on, that is for sure.
The timeline in published sources appears to show that Joey has wanted to leave since the start of the season; that he needs to return to Australia and heavily hints have been dropped in that Grima or a close family member has a serious problem which they do not want to disclose.
Grima has been involved with the club just over a year and although history will show just one league win in about twenty games he has always been an entirely decent guy trying his best to rebuild the club, just has Tony Rea did, really working to repair the damage done from the levels above him.
If you look at a very well run club like Leigh, they have managed to get their recruitment pretty much perfect by cherry-picking players from their best part-time rivals, getting in for the better SL players released in their Geographical catchment area of Lancashire and Yorkshire with a sprinkling of club developed players also in there.
It is also true they have been building up for for 10 seasons in the same league and have incrementally improved.
Where have we been left?
If we looked at Joey's recruitment and retention he has made some good signings with Brad Dwyer, Rhys Williams and Rhys Lovegrove who are all Super League standard plus of course Mathers and Harrison, whilst Naiqama has been quiet so far and Riley has been unfit. Slyney, Jon Wallace and Dollapi are probably the best players retained altough Wicks, Everett, Macani and Walker all look useful squad men.
Our worst position is in the halves where we have unproven youths and of the two senior players one has a long term injury and one didn't play well pre-season. There's no one of our own with a good kicking game.
Most of the remaining players have not shown they are better than mid-to-bottom end Championship standard.
Moving forward, I would hope the new manager introduces more aggression to the side; more battle-hardened players.
I don't mind Andrew Henderson getting a shot, he's got some winnable games coming up too.
Cheers
Mark'"
Didn't Leigh go bust 4 or 5 years ago, so not sure about the 10 gradual improvement!
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| Quote: STEVEL "Perry....I have supported this club for many years..I was (until this year)a season ticket holder, along with my family for 10 years.....I have pumped quite a bit of my hard earned income into its coffers..If Joey has problems then he has my genuine sympathy and I wish him nothing but a bright future..But yes..I am a fair bit vexed off at another let down in a long history of let downs from the club .. If Joey has had reservations about his future in London for the last month or so then D H should have been sounding out others about the role and not kicking us long suffering fans in the nuts again and expecting us to grin and bare it while we fanny about yet again..A lot of us are on the brink of kicking our support into touch and this is another nudge in that direction..'"
Nearly twenty years for me Steve.
When the coach is having issues off the pitch you're always on a hiding to nothing. The minute you start sounding out other candidates you undermine the incumbent, because in the small world of RL your scouting won't stay secret for very long. So if you're serious about supporting the incumbent you can't really start looking for a replacement before they step down. If you look at other clubs in RL (or indeed other sports) it's very rare when a coach resigns that a replacement is already waiting in the wings.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no DH sycophant, he's made a whole series of shocking decisions over the years that have tested my patience. But the situation he had here has troubled far better man managers than him, and whatever he did would have been wrong.
His next decision regarding a replacement however does have right and wrong answers. Forgive me if I don't hold my breath.
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| Quote: mish "Here's BG's tweet from a couple of hours ago
He'd certainly get some grunt and aggression in the team, but he's had his own issues over the years.
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| Quote: Perry "He'd certainly get some grunt and aggression in the team, but he's had his own issues over the years.'"
I don't think he's what you need. In my opinion, he was a great player but a below average coach. He's a bit too unstable for my liking.
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| Quote: mish "I don't think he's what you need. In my opinion, he was a great player but a below average coach. He's a bit too unstable for my liking.'"
I agree.
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| Whatever happens good luck from a Leigh fan, hope all turns out OK for you and good luck for the rest of the season guys.
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| I can't link it as Twitter is blocked at work - Bobbie Goulding had a good rant on there about us once, saying we should never been a Super League club, we have never produced any talent and that we are keeping out an 'honest' Cumbrian team.
When I defended us, he replied with 'Support a proper club' and blocked me.
I would be livid if he got the job.
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