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| Quote: "And by definition, that suggests every sport bar soccer is a minority sport in England.'"
Every sport except football is a minority sport in England.
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| Quote: The Penguin "As many of us have been saying for a while, the club had the opportunity to turn things around in August/September last year, by chucking McDermott. They bottled it, let the squad thin out, and then embarked on the brilliant idea of an actual marketing campaign when the squad is at its weakest since 2004.
I am not someone with the 'inside track'. I don't hobnob with the players after the game, so I can't speak for them. I'm purely speculating, but I don't believe they have any confidence in McDermott. Ever since the second half of last season, they look fragile, make a litany of mistakes and look clueless going forward.
Recruitment has been poor - we were supposedly near the salary cap limit last season, meaning we must have paid/ be paying the likes of Williamson, Dorn, Randall and the now departed Robinson a small fortune; While Hull, Catalans, Crusaders and Huddersfield plundered the NRL for high quality players.
Ultimately, the stable door as bolted. Sacking McDermott won't work now, the club had its chance and blew it. Its up to him now to live up to his ridiculous rhetoric, and try and string some good performances together when the injured players come back. There are those of us, that even if this happens, will never have faith in the man because he shows no tactical nous and has brought in a string of poor quality players; I refuse to believe he has no say in recruitment.'"
I've refrained from contributing to this forum since last year, when I sought to argue that Brian McDermott was failing our club as our coach – poor signings, under-performance on the field, and personally behaving like 'a miserable git' in front of fans and the media.
I recall receiving very little support for this point of view then.
However, the climate on this forum seems to be changing somewhat, now the new season has started and our team is performing pathetically in comparison with the flashes of inherent potential they showed early last season.
If David Hughes chooses to stick with Brian McDermott as our coach, I predict it's ultimately inevitable the RFL will kiss goodbye to our franchise, given that we continue to attract vanishingly small crowds to our home games.
This is such a shame, given the huge potential for growing support for Rugby League in general and Quins RL in particuar across our capital city.
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| Quote: kit80 "Every sport except football is a minority sport in England.'"
Exactly.
Which places rugby league in the same boat as everyone else bar one.
Quit groaning and get on with supporting the game...
Just a tip.
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| Quote: RugbyLeague56 "I've refrained from contributing to this forum since last year, when I sought to argue that Brian McDermott was failing our club as our coach – poor signings, under-performance on the field, and personally behaving like 'a miserable git' in front of fans and the media.
I recall receiving very little support for this point of view then.
However, the climate on this forum seems to be changing somewhat, now the new season has started and our team is performing pathetically in comparison with the flashes of inherent potential they showed early last season.
If David Hughes chooses to stick with Brian McDermott as our coach, I predict it's ultimately inevitable the RFL will kiss goodbye to our franchise, given that we continue to attract vanishingly small crowds to our home games.
This is such a shame, given the huge potential for growing support for Rugby League in general and Quins RL in particuar across our capital city.'"
I don't see it happening.
(Even!) the RFL won't shoot themselves in the foot like that...
The history of the game in England shows how important London is. It really is as simple as that.
There will be a presence in London - whether or not it is Quins is a different issue altogether and I feel for the supporters of the club itself.
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| Quote: RugbyLeague56 "I've refrained from contributing to this forum since last year, when I sought to argue that Brian McDermott was failing our club as our coach – poor signings, under-performance on the field, and personally behaving like 'a miserable git' in front of fans and the media.
I recall receiving very little support for this point of view then.
However, the climate on this forum seems to be changing somewhat, now the new season has started and our team is performing pathetically in comparison with the flashes of inherent potential they showed early last season.
If David Hughes chooses to stick with Brian McDermott as our coach, I predict it's ultimately inevitable the RFL will kiss goodbye to our franchise, given that we continue to attract vanishingly small crowds to our home games.
This is such a shame, given the huge potential for growing support for Rugby League in general and Quins RL in particuar across our capital city.'"
Sorry, but as reasoned as you would like your post to seem, Brian Mac is not the sole reason for Quins being up the creek with no paddle....yes, he needs to go, but the failure to market properly is the SOLE reason!
the vanishing crowds? same average 2009 as 2000.......just not growing, but not vanashing
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| Quote: "kit80 wrote
Accepting football is the most popular sport-there are still high profile sports that are either played by large numbers and or watched by large numbers-ie Cricket and RU which have huge international profile. I wouldnt call RU a minority sport more a sport that isnt as big as football
RL sits behind both of these
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| The viability of the club here has long been a topic of debate. These last thirty years have seen the club in its various incarnations struggle almost continuously.
I was involved with the club for seventeen years and came to the conclusion that the club will always struggle, both on and off the pitch.
It is remarkable that David Hughes has been the stalwart and champion for as long as he has. The man has almost single-handedly saved the club from oblivion several times. One cannot doubt his dedication but I believed eventually that sustaining fully professional top-flight RL in the capital is not viable. The club has only ever lost money; it hasn't made a cent in thirty years. If it had been run as a business during that time, it's highly likely that it would have gone into receivership at some point and, indeed, the club has gone close to extinction several times.
The Sky issue is interesting: Sky were the unseen hand at the crisis meeting at the Galpharm in 2005 when London were in serious trouble. Apparently they said that, if London were not re-awarded their SL franchise, the deal on the table for the other clubs would be substantially less than before. The club cannot compete effectively to challenge for silverware due to being under-capitalised.
I loved the club for a long time; it was my life. It was a very hard decision to walk away. I wish QRL all the best for the season and the future. The club's followers are the most dedicated in RL, bar none. Total respect.
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| Putting all that to one side-Why dont you pay your £15 pound and just watch the game and go home?
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| Quote: Al the Bronco "The viability of the club here has long been a topic of debate. These last thirty years have seen the club in its various incarnations struggle almost continuously.
I was involved with the club for seventeen years and came to the conclusion that the club will always struggle, both on and off the pitch.
It is remarkable that David Hughes has been the stalwart and champion for as long as he has. The man has almost single-handedly saved the club from oblivion several times. One cannot doubt his dedication but I believed eventually that sustaining fully professional top-flight RL in the capital is not viable. The club has only ever lost money; it hasn't made a cent in thirty years. If it had been run as a business during that time, it's highly likely that it would have gone into receivership at some point and, indeed, the club has gone close to extinction several times.
The Sky issue is interesting
I loved the club for a long time; it was my life. It was a very hard decision to walk away. I wish QRL all the best for the season and the future. The club's followers are the most dedicated in RL, bar none. Total respect.'"
Then surely now is the time for everbody to put their cards on the table , Quins have to survive for SL to survive , then quite simply the RFL have to find an extra million to help them market themselves and somehow increase the fan base at the Stoop
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| Quote: wire-quin "Putting all that to one side-Why dont you pay your £15 pound and just watch the game and go home?'"
I did for a while but I was emotionally involved with it all so coming back after two years away now would feel really weird. I've moved on now and it's a closed chapter in my life. Good luck to you all though.
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| so all the calls for sacking the coach still true today after the squad put in a good performance
Lets be honest, we stuck with Tony R for a long time and I hope we will stick with Brian Mc D
why? well if you get rid of him who is there out there that we could get to replace him?? Nobby aint gonna leave Wrexham, at least he can commute home from there!! (do you really think he did not know they were not going to be SW based when he signed)
Offiah! pah, makes to much money as an agent and has never coached
Shaun Edwards!!! be serious why would he leave where he is now!!
as a northerner what did it take to get you to move saaarf!!!??
so other option is an aussie coach and whats the cost of that
even with a change, the playing staff are the same!!! and the coach can only work with the tools he has as in the players on the field
Quite simply the issue is not the coach, its money!!, without cash in the bank we cannot attract quality players, we will muddle through with journey men! and the odd star that comes thro the london ranks like LMS, or the converted who have decided that they like the London life style like purds and danny Orr
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lets give over with this negative stuff about Brian, i would rather have someone who calls a spade a frigging shovel (which is what he would do if he was allowed trust me) and lets keep paying to get thro the gate and hassling friends etc to join us and keep feeding ideas thro any way we can to the club re marketting!!
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| Quote: mickyb1234 "so all the calls for sacking the coach still true today after the squad put in a good performance'"
Doesn't change anything in that respect.
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| Quote: wire-quin "Accepting football is the most popular sport-there are still high profile sports that are either played by large numbers and or watched by large numbers-ie Cricket and RU which have huge international profile. I wouldnt call RU a minority sport more a sport that isnt as big as football
RL sits behind both of these'"
Source?
And answer the earlier post...
At what point does "minority" kick in?
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| Quote: mickyb1234 "so all the calls for sacking the coach still true today after the squad put in a good performance '" Sorry but yes, nothing has altered there, we would obviously get a win somewhere down the line.
Quote: mickyb1234 "
so other option is an aussie coach and whats the cost of that '"
As is being proved time and again in SL, assistant coaches from down under can transform into very capable head coaches in the UK
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