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| Based on this statement the Denver game should be scrapped, as it's main aim is to promote the international expansion of the UK game. We will be cast adrift along with Fev, Halifax, Dewsbury etc., if the new clubs are allowed the same open cheque book that Toronto have enjoyed.
The "RFL" need to regain control of the sport and run it in all members interests, but current and potential. That will need a new Chairman, board and CEO as a precursor.
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| How are they deciding the one up from the Championship?? Is it the top side, or is it a play off between the Top 2/4 to see who goes up. If it is top 1 it will just be the relegated side going back up each season (thanks to their parachute payment) probably (or the new North American team that joins)
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| The suggestion is the MPG will still be there (hopefully with a less cringeworthy name) with the winner being promoted.
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| Looks like they are going for a top 2 play off game to decide who goes up. That will not last long I would imagine folk will be up in arms when the team that finishes second wins the one off game to go up.
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| Quote northernbloke="northernbloke"What about the next owner?
DH is not going to be around forever.'"
I would rather we had a club that was sustainable in its own right but we seem a long way from that now.
I seem to remember Lenegan saying at one point that break even would require an average gate of around 5,000. We were achieving that at the start of the SL era and had the potential of doing so towards the end of our time at Griffin Park and in the early years back at The Stoop.
Since then attendances have steadily declined and while costs in the Championship are less so is the income from away fans and TV.
Our attendance history suggests that being sustainable in London requires a competitive SL team. Clearly DH is no longer willing or able to make the sort of investment required for that and perhaps will only fund a part-time Championship side going forward.
In the absence of a new owner who could make the required investment (clearly at considerable risk) we will continue to rely DH and possibly decline further.
Having said all of that, I would rather watch a reasonably competitive Championship side than a poor SL team like we had during the later years at The Stoop and at The Hive.
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| Quote Call Me God="Call Me God":mj1tgb5rIt makes little difference to us or our aspirations or lack of them. Without the Argyle/Beaumont aggressive buying of a squad and bankrolling further when promoted we will shuffle along in the upper half of the 2nd tier until our retired owner vanishes.......and then it's down to the Skolars level and beyond.
What it means for the game is that the top teams (Wigan/Saints/Leeds/Wire/FC) with the sustainable business model will grow, the middle sides (Castleford, Catalan) will strive and the rest will scramble to avoid the drop like they did back in the day and when the money men die off, the likes of Huddersfield, Salford, Wakefield, Widnes and Toronto will join us chasing scraps from the top table......it's all about financial sustainability.....something we've never been good at.'" and Cas within 15mins of going out of business, both during the licencing period that was supposedly going to see the end of that sort of thing). Cas are some £3million in hock to the Fulton family and have been quite fortunate that when Jack Fulton died his heirs didn't demand the money back as was widely expected to happen. Furthermore, Wakefield is a city of some 100,000+ people, whereas Cas is a town of around 40,000 and by some distance the smallest metropolis of all the teams in SL.
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| So the assumption on here is when DH eventually goes then the club is doomed. The club has had different owners previously and will hopefully have different owners in the future.
As for being self sustaining, not many clubs are! They all need input from somewhere else on top of gate receipts.
As for the 5k required to break even, as a club when did that happen? Early days of SL! Potential of doing so at end of griffin park days is a bit of a strange statement, potential is still not achieving it.
Think a lot of clubs teeter on the edge of existence and rely on someone to bankroll them, sadly until RL as a whole learns how to hit the headlines London Broncos will always struggle to get folk through the door, SL status or not.
Barry Hearn anyone? Let him have a go atpromoting the game, if he can fill stadiums with folk watching darts am sure he could increase the profile of our game.
For Broncos who knows how longer DH will keep the wallet open, let’s hope someone out there sees something that will tempt em into putting money in and we do continue full time.
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| Quote northernbloke="northernbloke"As for the 5k required to break even, as a club when did that happen? Early days of SL! Potential of doing so at end of griffin park days is a bit of a strange statement, potential is still not achieving it.'" In 1996 (finishing 4th place) we averaged around 5,700 and in 1997 (2nd) over 5,000. For 2005, the last year at Griffin Park it was just over 4,000 (6th). Back at The Stoop in 2006 it was almost 5,000 (7th) but I think that figure may be distorted by a double header crowd if memory serves correct. Anyway, back then, there was potential with a competitive team and more marketing (which DH never seemed that interested in) to grow the attendance to a sustainable level.
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| Just saying that griffin park was not 5k.
Potential for 5 is always there, as we have done it in the past.
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| I recently spent some time in hospital. A friend bought me in The Rothmans RL Yearbook 1997 to read. Contained within are Club attendances from seasons 1988-89 through to 1996.
London average crowds were 588 in 88-89 rising to 5699 in 1996.
What surprised me most was in 1996 our attendances were the sixth largest in Super League. Bigger crowds that year than. Warrington, Castleford, Halifax, Sheffield, Workington and Oldham.
We did market ourselves then. Five pound vouchers in The Sun for example. Plus we had a good team getting good results. Happy days.
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| Quote Bostwick="Bostwick"I recently spent some time in hospital. A friend bought me in The Rothmans RL Yearbook 1997 to read. Contained within are Club attendances from seasons 1988-89 through to 1996.
London average crowds were 588 in 88-89 rising to 5699 in 1996.
What surprised me most was in 1996 our attendances were the sixth largest in Super League. Bigger crowds that year than. Warrington, Castleford, Halifax, Sheffield, Workington and Oldham.
We did market ourselves then. Five pound vouchers in The Sun for example. Plus we had a good team getting good results. Happy days.'"
My first live RL game was Broncos first ever home game (under the new name, obviously) v Keighley at Hendon FC. An interesting experience having only watched the game on TV until then! The growth from that position over the following few years was fantastic and I thought the club was really going places.
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| INg Quote nadera78="nadera78"Quote nadera78="Bostwick"I recently spent some time in hospital. A friend bought me in The Rothmans RL Yearbook 1997 to read. Contained within are Club attendances from seasons 1988-89 through to 1996.
London average crowds were 588 in 88-89 rising to 5699 in 1996.
What surprised me most was in 1996 our attendances were the sixth largest in Super League. Bigger crowds that year than. Warrington, Castleford, Halifax, Sheffield, Workington and Oldham.
We did market ourselves then. Five pound vouchers in The Sun for example. Plus we had a good team getting good results. Happy days.'"
My first live RL game was Broncos first ever home game (under the new name, obviously) v Keighley at Hendon FC. An interesting experience having only watched the game on TV until then! The growth from that position over the following few years was fantastic and I thought the club was really going places.'" OUT
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