Spot on.

I have been looking at these forums for a while now and Lister has finally made one misinformed comment too many for me.
Today Huddersfield fielded 4 players who had previously played first team rugby and two who had been assigned to the wigan first team. So to beat this team is an achievement in itself, secondly Quins fielded Edwards, Bryan, Williams and Thomas who have all played first team rugby league and are products of our academy. So to say that the reason our u20's team are winning is purely because of the other teams fastracking their youngsters is ridiculous. We also have players destined for first team action such as Caro and Sarginson in the side who have had a whole pre season at first team level and a possible only reason they arent in the first team currently is due to the first teams successes! Maybe you should try and get down to a few games before you make stupid assumptions.

If you had an open selection of all Under 20's at each SL club, we would get battered every week.

Just ignore him (Lister), he is from the North.

I am, and therefore I have a grasp of academy players coming through the ranks, something which plenty of our fans will be unfamiliar with. The two Huddersfield supporters know what I am talking about. Plenty of their juniors are already playing in the National Leagues. I'm sure Leeds supporters won't care that we panned their Under 20's either (although their youth set up below that at the moment is a bit of a mess anyway).

No, i do not play for the u20's much too long in the tooth for that, however have been watching them for about 3 years after a number of players from my local club were brought into their squad.

After admitting that you do not attend any u20 games it is once again very narrow minded of you to assume that if there was an open selection that our team would get 'battered' every week, what are you even basing that opinion on when you havent seen any other teams play.
Also how many players do you see aged 18 or younger playing on any sort of regular basis in superleague these days, this comment is yet another made by you without any real thought. Yes Evans made his full debut today but other than that i can think of very few teams who have done this (although we did with Jamie O'Callaghan!), take huddersfield for instance who fielded mcgillvary yesterday, i believe hes aged around 21 or 22 and spent last season on loan at a championship club and is playing his first full season of superleague and this seems the way it goes for a majorty of youngsters these days (breaking through at around the 19/20 year old mark and these are only the exceptional talents), however other than that who do they have coming through? Larne Patrick has played infrequently before admittedly, but no more than Krasniqi who is also 18.
So if huddersfield, the current table toppers are viewing the loan route and the u20s as the best way of judging and nurturing the talent they have in their team (mcnally and hodgson playing for their side today) then what is your issue with Quins who are doing the exact same thing- see bolger and williams both at championship clubs.

Finally sarginson aged 18 and caro 19 have both been earmarked to player superleague this season by none other than our own head coach so how can you say we arent playing young players in superleague, were not even half way through the season yet where most of these boys get their chance via injuries and suspensions!
Just because your from the north means you have no more grasp than anyone else over academies and their policies, so unless your going to actually view any games if you can leave this secluded location you hide away in then I and a good few others think its best you keep your misinformed opinions on this issue to yourself.

I am basing my opinion on the performances of players under 20 in other teams, and the lack of appearances by our under 20's in our first team.



We are talking about Under 20's not 18's, and there are players that could play in this age group all over the place, in Super League, in the National Leagues etc.



I would be looking at Wigan's example rather than Huddersfield's seeing as they named a side with 9 home grown players in the game against St George, who have played in Super League, for one of the top sides, while being in the Under 20 age group. Huddersfield are favouring the dual contract route. McNally has been knocking around their reserve sides for years and has made 0 impact on the first team, due to the fact he is rubbish. When his contract is up, he will be on his way. Interesting you bring up Dave Williams as the majority of people on here slag him off. This would not include me either.



Like I said, I'll believe it when I see it.



Why didn't you have a go at daftdad for mentioning it like it was some sort of hinderance on my rugby league knowledge?



I have made no direct comments on the performances of our Under 20's, only towards the merits of that setup. I don't hide away anywhere either, most of the posters on here can vouch for that.

Lister, the Cassandra of Quins RL.

What would Lister say if they were getting hammered every week?

You are definitely a glass half-empty guy.

Though I do find your observations challenging and quite amusing, keep it up.

I think it is important to focus on the challenges we face rather than simply celebrate the apparent positives. This is what will drive us forward.

I would be personally offended if anyone questioned my commitment and love for this club. I hope those that have met me would concur.

I have supported the club since 1997 and will continue to do so until we are no more.

did Jerry play? anyone got a team list?