Quote The Penguin="The Penguin"My bad. I don't tend to buy the matchday programme, I must confess. I'm surprised as many as that voted as well, that's better than I thought.'" Ah, well, the question asked was just a bit loaded. Here's part of the survey: 2. Should Quins RL change their club name? -No Preference -Yes -No 3. If the club were to be renamed, whether you answered Yes or No to question 2, we would value your thoughts. Given the club's proximity to London, would you agree that a reference to 'London' should appear within the name. -Yes -No Link to survey: www.quinsrl.co.uk/news/13686.php

Quote The Penguin="The Penguin"My bad. I don't tend to buy the matchday programme, I must confess. I'm surprised as many as that voted as well, that's better than I thought.'" Ah, well, the question asked was just a bit loaded. Here's part of the survey: 2. Should Quins RL change their club name? -No Preference -Yes -No 3. If the club were to be renamed, whether you answered Yes or No to question 2, we would value your thoughts. Given the club's proximity to London, would you agree that a reference to 'London' should appear within the name. -Yes -No Link to survey: www.quinsrl.co.uk/news/13686.php

Also its worth pointing out that the reverse survey was not carried out when the club was London Broncos whilst at Brentford. In fact the club moved very quickly and changed the name without asking fans.

I can tell you that if there had been a vote then, I doubt that more than 1% of fans would have voted to switch from "London Broncos" to "Quins"

C'ARN LANDAN!

I think we weren't asked at Brentford because, as I understand it, Nic Cartwright and co went cap in hand to Harlequins to sort out ground sharing or Harlequins taking us over after London Broncos went bust. Becoming Harlequins RL and adopting their pastel colours was made a condition of the deal. I don't think the club were given a choice so consequently the fans had no say in the matter!

Stiil ,on the bright side we won't have to play under the pastel flag of convenience for much longer!!

The long and short of the change to Quins RL was quite simple. David Hughes had decided enough was enough when it came to hurling money down the drain and wanted someone else to share the financial burden. Ian Lenegan was willing to assist but only if we became Quins RL as he didn't see any future for us as London Broncos and thought the Quins link up might work. The name was part of the deal however the kit wasn't quite so certain. Ian didn't want us to wear the RU kit, hence the initial talk about a RL influenced kit however he had his mind changed by Mark Evans who pointed out that if we were trying to win over Quins RU fans mucking about with a 150 or so year old traditional kit probably wouldn't be a great starting point.

Put simply if there had been a vote at the time of the name change it would basically have been do you want a) a club called Quins RL or b) no club.

I suspect the name Quins RL would have got a bit more than 1% of the vote.

Edited to add that whilst there was no survey a small number of "key" fans were consulted about the Quins move. I wasn't one but a then high profile fan who was a close friend was one of them. He has drifted away, personal reasons caused him to move, but at least one of the others consulted regularly posts on this board. I'll leave it up to them whether they wish to confirm the truth of this as I don't think they have ever publicly said they were consulted.

I was one of the few consulted. After the initial shock and after it was explained as in the above by Halfdan, it was accepted as 'force majuere'. We were told that the Quins brand would bring in lots of corporate sponsors..................

I remember being told that - still waiting!!

Credit to Poplar. To make sure there is no speculation as to who the other person I know who was consulted was, it was Poplar. I disagree slightly with him (I'm more in the Paddock camp as in terms of don't re-name us spend the money on a good team instead) however back at the time Poplar was presented with no realistic option. If we hadn't become Quins RL the top team in London would have been London Skolars. The simple fact is we have only had fully professional RL in London for the past few seasons due to the link up with Quins RU. (Poplar and I come from different sides on this but trust us, it is true.) Claiming being Quins RL has damaged full time RL in London is laughable. Without us being Quins RL we would no longer exist and neither Louis or Tony would have played for their nation,the likes of Dan and Mikey wouldn't have played for their nation at junior levels, indeed Dan would probably never have played RL as he grew up playing RU.

Whatever we may think of the decision to change name, and Poplar and I disagree on this one, the blunt truth is the decision has been made. The future of fully professional RL in London is on the line and we all need to back the sport irrespective of whatever we may personally feel about the imminent changes. In a few weeks time we change name, in three years time we may lose fully professional RL in London. Which is more important?

Long live London whatever we are called, where ever we are playing next year, RL................

nm

Hopefully when the name change is announced the vast majority on here will get behind the new incarnation, there is no choice unless you prefer the heroic efforts of the mighty Skolars (I support both teams of course), We will have 3 years to make it work.Hopefully that will focus some minds.

Definitely something we can all agree about!

This may be controversial but think about what im about to say before you dismiss it out of hand. I think the best think Quins (or what ever they will be called next year) could have done to boost attendances and core support would have been to drop into the championship for 3 years, think about it new fans are more likely to be attracted to a winning team challenging for honours (all be it in a division down) than a team near the foot of the super league getting hammered week after week.

A drop would simply not work, people in London have such a wide choice of Top Sport if they want to see lower division RL they have London Skolars RL

It's a controversial as saying perhaps send the top two teams in Super League into the Championship for 3 seasons and then it would allow some others teams to win build up their attendances and anyway the two teams sent down their fans would still watch a winning team so attract large crowds, don't think so!

I hope it works for the Crusaders as they have had more than 4,000 sign to back them, but I wonder if they do stay in the town why not become Wrexham Crusaders?