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Quote: crashmon "Its not wimbledon per see, its that if you have 500 fans (which is what Part time we have) 500 fans in a 2000 capacity can make some noise and you get a good atmosphere. For instance at trailfinders the atmosphere was much much better than at Barnet.. Barnt was a 5000 capacity stadium... Now if Dons is 9000, and you have 500 fans the atmosphere is non existant.

I felt the atmosphere in the main stand at trailfinders was great, lots of banter, lots of singing. you just don't get that if you are filling less than 10% of the ground'"



Agreed

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Quote: northernbloke "I suspect the dons fans dont give a hoot what league we are playing in or how many fans we get through the gate. I doubt very much that any rent deal is linked in anyway to crowd size initially (just my thought, i have no inside information).'"
You claim you only state the obvious but in reality Wimbledon fans have been asked to vote on the groundshare deal based on finances that depend very much on numbers through the gate.

SpecificallyThe range given was between £200k and £500k per full London Broncos season. The primary reason for such a wide range is that the higher end will only occur if the London Broncos are in the Super League. The lower end is the minimum net amount based on the Broncos playing in the Championship and for a full season at Plough Lane with attendances slightly higher than they have currently....in essence, the more people attend Broncos games, the more revenue we are likely to generate. And the more successful the Broncos are, the more rewarding the deal is for us. [/i

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Quote: Honkytonk "I thought we payed Quins 400k???'"

The accounts that were "leaked" back in 2012 showed £257,000 as a figure for facilities hire. This could have included the training facilities and I'm not sure when the desk space at Quins was given up, but there's not a chance it was £400k at the end.
It would seem that one of two things, or maybe both are true here.
1. Mr Hughes falls out with partners and landlords and decides to leave
2. Mr Hughes employs peoe.out if their depth who then scurry to.find a distraction that will make their shortcomings secondary. Like moving grounds.or changing names.
My theory is that we are being touted to wimbledon as a potential addition to their stable when Mr Hughes steps down.
I'm no fan of David Argyle, but what he and his marketing team did in attracting fans to a new sport in decent numbers on a regular basis, regardless of free tickets or not is a beacon of what London could have achieved. Especially at Trailfinders, where there was room for a beer tent/festival scenario.
Now all we have to look forward to at best is being called Wimbledon Broncos, playing in the 3rd tier and praying for the end.

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Where in the deal we have seen is there any statement on numbers?

My theory is that we are being touted to wimbledon as a potential addition to their stable when Mr Hughes steps down. And that would be a bad thing why?
Is a new owner not what everyone is suggesting is needed?

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Quote: northernbloke "Where in the deal we have seen is there any statement on numbers?'"
This bit should give you a clue as to how the deal is structured [i.in essence, the more people attend Broncos games, the more revenue we are likely to generate[/i.

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Quote: northernbloke "Where in the deal we have seen is there any statement on numbers?

My theory is that we are being touted to wimbledon as a potential addition to their stable when Mr Hughes steps down. And that would be a bad thing why?
Is a new owner not what everyone is suggesting is needed?'"

Apologists gotta apologise.......it's in their nature.
1. 257k was what we paid 9 years ago.....apparently it was too much.
2. Wimbledon RLFC isn't the issue.....but that won't happen in the 3rd tier....maybe not even the second.
But you keep banging the it's all ok drum

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Quote: northernbloke "Where in the deal we have seen is there any statement on numbers?

My theory is that we are being touted to wimbledon as a potential addition to their stable when Mr Hughes steps down. And that would be a bad thing why?
Is a new owner not what everyone is suggesting is needed?'"


The information has come out via AFC Wimbledon, it's been on this forum and the other one. You can ignore it, or pretend to, if you want.

As to AFCW taking over the Broncos, well they don't have enough money to fund themselves and have built up debts on the stadium that will impact their ability to compete on the field. The fans of a struggling football team are not going to be impressed by the management taking on board a loss-making rugby club - even more so when it is a fans-owned football club. AFCW are looking at us as an easy pay day, £200,000+ for doing nothing, just like Fulham FC did back in the 80s, that all it is. The chances of them buying the Broncos are infintesimally small.

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Quote: nadera78 "As to AFCW taking over the Broncos, well they don't have enough money to fund themselves and have built up debts on the stadium that will impact their ability to compete on the field. The fans of a struggling football team are not going to be impressed by the management taking on board a loss-making rugby club'"


Yep, it is far from obvious why a football fans trust would want to take on losses of around £1M per year to run a RL team.

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I think the Wimbledon owners struggle to fund them, zero chance they would look at us. We are simply a revenue stream for them. The more we pack in, the more they make

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Quote: Honkytonk "I think the Wimbledon owners struggle to fund them, zero chance they would look at us. We are simply a revenue stream for them. The more we pack in, the more they make'"

The Broncos are doing their level best to pee off the fans that they already have. Attracting new fans does not seem to be on the agenda, as usual.

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Quote: Bostwick "The Broncos are doing their level best to pee off the fans that they already have. Attracting new fans does not seem to be on the agenda, as usual.'"


Not sure that ticketing revenue has been part of any previous ground deals. Maybe DH thinks Wimbledon will do the work of attracting new fans that he has never shown an interest in doing himself.

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Give some credit please! the amount of money David Hughes has put into Our Club! There are not many owners in Super League who have invested more, what have such as The RFL invested into spreading the game into Our Capital City? but put money into keeping the ground in Bradford going when it should have been filled in years ago!

We should get an Anxiety Charity' to support our pages currently, anyone new coming to the pages would need to call them after reading through what has been posted.

Yes express our disappointments, but to keep dragging it out over and over again, just gets boring. If I had invested the money David Hughes has, I would be thinking of calling it a day.

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If I had mad the poor decisions DH has, I would be thinking of calling it a day. It gets repeated because it keeps happening. I wont knock the bloke for paying the money, but at the same time, the reason we are so dependant on him is due to the numerous mistakes he has made

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its noticable that you dont have an opinion on that thought.'"


Excuse me?

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Quote: Honkytonk "If I had mad the poor decisions DH has, I would be thinking of calling it a day. It gets repeated because it keeps happening. I wont knock the bloke for paying the money, but at the same time, the reason we are so dependant on him is due to the numerous mistakes he has made'"


Which is strange for a bloke who made his fortune doing deals you would assume.

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