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Catalan game being on Thursday, the reason for which I understand, will make it awkward for many fans. Those who drive any distance will be up against it with the traffic being very heavy due to the holiday. We are taking the train to this game, for the first time in ages.
So I expect a low attendance.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke "Dog, not sure what your point is! '"

lol...really?

You think getting 1,400 for a top flight game in the nations capital is OK do you? Your as daft as a bag of spanners if you think a few bits of PR will have fans flocking to games. The core fan-base used to number 3,000-3,500.........care to hazard a guess as to where the blame lies for alienating them?

Said person moved us out of a perfectly good stadium, took us to a north london car-park where the RFL had to bribe the landlord to take us in, spat his dummy out when we got hammered in the cup and as a direct result took us down to the championship and playing out of a wedding venue and has done nothing.....not one thing to make us 1% less reliant on his money in 12 years of ownership..........and yet you think a bit of fluffy PR means that the fans will be flocking to see us?
We had 8k for the first visit of Wigan under his tenure.........5,500 fewer for their most recent visit......he has destroyed the club as a professional entity. The year he took over, Saracens RFU were playing out of Vicarage Road and averaged 9,000 and we were getting just shy of 5k.....they're now on 13k average with a stadium they can call home whilst we are sub 2k in a rented venue where we have little or no say in any part of the running of the business.......the year he took over, Wasps were in Milton Keynes paying rent with an 11k average , they now own their own stadium with a 16k average this year.....applaud his some more why don't you icon_beat.gif icon_beat.gif

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Yes the three of us wont be at Cats game, its very tricky to get there on a Thur evening. However as we are ST holders, we will still probably count as attended even though we won't be there

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Dog! No! I didn’t say it was acceptable! Show me!
Nations capital however has nothing to do with it, the club is in an area that is flush with other sports, so getting interest back for what is a minor sport in this country outside a stadium heartland is not straight forward.

Just because we went from Champ to SL is not going to get thousands coming back, no matter how much marketing you do.

As for you looking back and having a dig at folk, it’s gone its the past, you me no one can change it, so stop whining on about it

Getting the attendance figures backup ain’t happening overnight! Those 3000 found other things to attract them So yes the fact is away fans are important! Let’s try and make sure they want to come again.

Keep the club in the National and local news,keep the interest up on social media, yes marketing as well. But what ever you do it ain’t happening over night.

Pointing the finger and saying “it’s all his fault” achieves what exactly?
And who am I applauding and when?

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke "Blah blah blah.....
Nations capital however has nothing to do with it, the club is in an area that is flush with other sports, ............blah blah blah.....'"

2 things stand out here.
Firstly, the nations capital has a population of 10,000,000 or so souls, of which I would hazzard a guess that 10% of them are ex-pat Northerners. A I have documented in the past, when we played Wigan or Leeds at Griffin Park or in the first couple of years at The Stoop 2.0, we would get 5k fans........there was maybe 2 more coach-loads of fans than we'd get for say Wakefield, but at least 1,500 more fans in attendance. This points to a great number of these people being, in all probability, ex-pat Wiganers/Loiners who live in London and came out to watch their club. The fact that we can't get any more than 1,000 Londoners to support the club regularly is a disgrace..........remember that 50% of the TV audience is southern based if you believe the PR from the RFL/BBC/SKY........so why won't they come and watch us? And when I ask where the missing 2,500 have gone, I will always directly lay the blame for their loss at the feet of the person responsible.....the old saying in business is that it can take years to find a customer and seconds to lose them.....

...secondly. I called Brentford/Chiswick/Ealing/Hanwell my home for some 20 years. I can assure you that other than Brentford FC (and at a push, Harlequins) there's really not a lot else on our doorstep. QPR are nearer central London than Ealing, non-league soccer clubs are almost as niche as trainspotters and ourselves, club cricket is quite popular, but generally played on a Saturday, so no, the club is not in an area flush with other sports. This is just a soundbite you use to try and prove a point that isn't worth proving.

Forgetting the past........what is our future? David gets hit by a bus tomorrow........what happens to the club? David decides to enjoy retirement and walks away.......what happens to the club?

Failing to plan for our future Post Hughes is a disaster in the making.....I and great many other fans who have long since stopped being regular attendees can see this, but you can't. So please, be indignant and tell me as many times as you like to "forget the past, it's gone", but do not act astounded when in the next 5 or 6 years I am proven to be right......as I was right when I first started banging this drum 16+ Years ago.......without a plan for a secondary stream of financing, be that from more fans, bigger sponsors or new investment, the club will fold on the basis of the health/interest of its owner.......that really isn't a healthy state of affairs now, is it?

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Can’t have it both ways dog, you say london with 10 mil residents, then when you pick the sports clubsthay I say the city is flush with you narrow it down to a couple of mile radius.

No one denies fragility of our financial situation, I never have, but reality is, I will say again is you can’t change that neither can I.
Continuously harping back to the past is pointless, it’s gone it’s done it can’t be changed!

We are where we are.

As for 5 or 6 years time, by your own words you have been banging yr drum for 16 plus years, is that 16 plus years of predicting woe? If so that tells a story itself.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke " Blah again blah.....As for 5 or 6 years time, by your own words you have been banging yr drum for 16 plus years, is that 16 plus years of predicting woe? If so that tells a story itself.'"


I predicted that London Broncos needed to have a minimum of 7k average attendance to survive and 10k to prosper. When I started we were 2k away from the lower figure.......we are now 6k away. Predicting the demise of the club isn't some psychological experiment, just an understanding of business and marketing......neither of which our current (or previous) owners had......Even Sir Richard thought "build it and they/he will come" was the way foreward, but as Einstein is repeatedly quoted as saying.......doing the same thing (in our case not a frigging thing) over and over again and expecting a different outcome is insanity.....

BTW.....16 years ago we were challenging for a play-off spot, with a comp leading try scorer and 4,500/5,000 fans......I said then that we needed to do more.......or we'd be in trouble.

We were soon in trouble, changed names, moved grounds, had our new owner bail and were left with the fool we have now.........I haven't changed my tune once.....I haven't suggested pointless ground moves, name changes, stupid and unqualified appointment into key positions......nope....all I've done s said if you don't tell people where we are, what we do and when we are doing it, it is a pretty pointless exercise........and as much as it pains you to accept, I was 100% spot on, correct and right.

To explain this concept to you. Your OPINION that referees have a thankless task is just that...an OPINION. My opinion that Hughes is inept at the day to day running of the club , including promotion and marketing is backed up not only by the resulting malaise that the club is currently in, but also by his own quotes in the pastel revolution book........he freely admits to a/ not being good at those things and b/ not taking advice from others.......

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We live in a city where there is a huge audience for sports. We have seen US sports building a fan base and commanding large crowds. So the problem is not that we lack an audience, in fact, we have more potential than any SL club. The issues are (i) the mismanagement of the sport by the RFL which has seen it become increasingly anonymous despite being a great product and (ii) the lack of ambition and commercial focus to grow the Broncos into a successful and sustainable club over the last 10 or more years. While we can all appreciate that DH has kept the club alive he has failed to deliver on its potential. Of course, these are problems of the past but also the present and unless something changes the outcome will be inevitable.

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It’s interesting!
Predicted 7k to survive 10k to prosper.
16 years ago we had an average of 4.5 to 5k still below the 7k yet we still survive!
Dont think I have ever stated an opinion that match officials have a thankless task! Thankless presumes they get nothing for doing it, that’s not the case.
I know your opinion of DH, my point is, you can’t change it, I can’t change it, buzza can’t change it.
Buzza is closer to the issue, with how the sport is supported in the region, that brings up the question of why though.

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Quote: northernbloke "It’s interesting!
Predicted 7k to survive 10k to prosper.
16 years ago we had an average of 4.5 to 5k still below the 7k yet we still survive!
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Where does the 7k come from ? I thought Lenegan at one point had said we needed 5k crowds to be self sustaining (and that was at The Stoop which must have been an expensive ground).

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Buzza, why you asking me? They are dogs numbers

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Quote: northernbloke "They are dogs numbers'"
. Why do you keep referring to the poster 'Call Me God' as 'dog'?

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Quote: Torbreck ". Why do you keep referring to the poster 'Call Me God' as 'dog'?'"
Rather pathetic isn't it.

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I have had the discussion with him why I refuse to use his chosen name!

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke "It’s interesting!Predicted 7k to survive 10k to prosper.
16 years ago we had an average of 4.5 to 5k still below the 7k yet we still survive!'"


Relying 100% on the benevolence of 1 man isn't survival......as I said, when he dies, the club dies with him. When we had the 4,500/5k averages, he was investing 2 million + into the club and we were challenging.......by the time he and his gimp dragged the club into the oblivion that was Barnet, he was investing 2 million and were canon fodder.
The clubs continued failure to attract new fans, heavyweight sponsors or even new investors is 100% down to one man......and I am aware that unless my numbers come up on the lottery, I can't change it, but it doesn't prevent me from pointing out that the clubs level of marketing activity in 2019 is reaping exactly what it deserves......1,400 for a top flight match against rivals who needed to beat to give ourselves a chance of survival!

The Clubs website is advertising the ST discount for DACIA Weekend.......so essentially preaching to the choir. Anyone who read some of the excellent PR pieces over the last week or so and wanted to investigate further should be greeted at the landing page with an offer promoting the next home game with a call to action.....the second landing page on rotation is promoting tonights game at the HJ.....it's embarrassing how bad they are at this stuff.

Our next home game will be on the 18th v Catalan. Not only should we have been targeting local French Themed businesses rlhttps://www.cote.co.uk/menus/ealing/rl, but also any of the airlines who fly from Heathrow to Perpignan to get a few tickets for the return game to have as prizes on match day........but nah.......just announce KO time and hope they rock up.......it's insanity of the highest order.

Speaking of marketing. Well done to Wire for flogging the backside out of their kids offering for tonight eusa_clap.gif

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