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| Quote: The Penguin "We were in an eminently preferable position then compared to where we are now. We also had a better atmosphere and more songs. I am sick of singing the monotone drone that is our only 'chant''"
Well don't bloody sing it then!!
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| Quote: gutterfax "Broncos 2005 ave 3,918
Harlequins 2006 ave 4,917
25% up.....
Harlequins 2011 ave 3,124
Broncos 2012 ave 2,807
10% down
spot the difference'"
Now r u including the 12,000 that supposedly watched our home game with Huddersfield in 2006? Cos that would be a bit cheeky wouldn't it? I'm not claiming that the new London rebrand has worked, I'm bitterly disappointed that it hasn't as I loathed our incarnation as H********s, but as you have fondly told us the only time we grew our crowds in the SL era was as Broncos at Brentford! Even your own figures show our gates falling from 2006 to 2011! I spotted that difference ok thanks!
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| Quote: Rob from Erith "Now r u including the 12,000 that supposedly watched our home game with Huddersfield in 2006? Cos that would be a bit cheeky wouldn't it? '" Yes he is. If you use a reasonable estimate of 4500 for that game, the season average comes down to about 4350. So that's more than half of his +25% gone, There was also the one-off effect of the 8213 attendance for the highly publicised season opener game v. Saints.
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| Quote: BroncOnIon "Yes he is. If you use a reasonable estimate of 4500 for that game, the season average comes down to about 4350. So that's more than half of his +25% gone,'" ...I've already covered this and shown we still had an increase...
Quote: BroncOnIon "There was also the one-off effect of the 8213 attendance for the highly publicised season opener game v. Saints.'"
...so there was no reasonable expectation of a "one off" for the first game back as the Broncos......
I am quite frankly stunned at the amount of people (more than 1) who are prepared to defend the club at the moment....each to their own I suppose, but 1,136 v a french team in 2013 compared to 9,638 v a French team 1n 1996 speaks volumes for the "progress" made by the club
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| Quote: gutterfax "...I've already covered this and shown we still had an increase...
...so there was no reasonable expectation of a "one off" for the first game back as the Broncos......'" Who said there wasn't?
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I am quite frankly stunned at the amount of people (more than 1) who are prepared to defend the club at the moment....each to their own I suppose, but 1,136 v a french team in 2013 compared to 9,638 v a French team 1n 1996 speaks volumes for the "progress" made by the club
Some of us (at least 1) are simply interested in ensuring that facts are accurate. I could go on, but I'll leave that to you.
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| Quote: BroncOnIon "Who said there wasn't?'"
The poster who said that the Harlequins re-brand was a failure...
Quote: BroncOnIon "Some of us (at least 1) are simply interested in ensuring that facts are accurate. I could go on, but I'll leave that to you.'"
I included the 12,500...then I (probably over) adjusted it to show the attendance as the average from a Hudds game prior to 2006....and demonstrated that we still had an increase on 2005......
then, just to be pedantic, someone said we had a big gate at out first game as Quins RL......all I did was say that there was nothing stopping the the same logic being applied to our first game back as Broncos.
Bottom line here is that those that want to defend Gus can carry on doing so if they please, but I refuse to give any benefit of any doubt to him.....he is a hatchet man who has cut costs everywhere at the expense of the soul of the club and has looked to blame anyone and everyone but himself for the alarming fall in attendances and revenues at the club...IMHO that is.
Defend this if you can!
The last home match attendance pre gus was 3,211 and the seasons average was 3,380 when we finished 13th. With gus those figures are currently 1,136 and 1,916 and we are 12th.......he has failed in his stated aim to build up attendances.
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| Quote: gutterfax "The poster who said that the Harlequins re-brand was a failure...
I included the 12,500...then I (probably over) adjusted it to show the attendance as the average from a Hudds game prior to 2006....and demonstrated that we still had an increase on 2005......
then, just to be pedantic, someone said we had a big gate at out first game as Quins RL......all I did was say that there was nothing stopping the the same logic being applied to our first game back as Broncos.
Bottom line here is that those that want to defend Gus can carry on doing so if they please, but I refuse to give any benefit of any doubt to him.....he is a hatchet man who has cut costs everywhere at the expense of the soul of the club and has looked to blame anyone and everyone but himself for the alarming fall in attendances and revenues at the club...IMHO that is.
Defend this if you can!
The last home match attendance pre gus was 3,211 and the seasons average was 3,380 when we finished 13th. With gus those figures are currently 1,136 and 1,916 and we are 12th.......he has failed in his stated aim to build up attendances.'"
Seeing as you addressed that to me, I'll answer. I'm not defending Gus, he's got a lot, but not everything, wrong.
Not the right man for the job. Wonder how much competition there was for the post when it was advertised, and how much there would be now if he departed. Answers on the back of a postage stamp please.
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| Quote: BroncOnIon "Seeing as you addressed that to me, I'll answer. I'm not defending Gus, he's got a lot, but not everything, wrong.
Not the right man for the job. Wonder how much competition there was for the post when it was advertised, and how much there would be now if he departed. Answers on the back of a postage stamp please.'"
from what I have heard Gus was recommended and employed without a formal interview on the advice of a friend of DH.......with friends like that, who needs enemies?
Other than SELCO (and nobody will ever know exactly how much they pay us) I am struggling to find any other thing he couldhave been deemed to have got right?
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| Gutterfax's numbers are a waste. They don't really prove anything. They don't take things into account such as the economic climate, venue, opposition etc etc.
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| Quote: Moe Lester "Gutterfax's numbers are a waste. They don't really prove anything. They don't take things into account such as the economic climate, venue, opposition etc etc.'"
WTF?
Bradford Bulls have now played London "away" 20 times in the 18 SL seasons....5 on the road games (4.900), 2 at the Valley (4,260), 5 at Griffin Park (4,000 average) and 8 at the Stoop (4,500).......they are the 4th best "draw card" in the SL calendar after St's, Wigan and Leeds....4,550 was the average before the wycombe night....not any more......it's now it's 4,394....seasons average is now 1,832....down 46% on what Gus inherited.
As for economic climate I was back in blightly last September.....Oxford street was rammed with shoppers.......but you defend the incompetence all you like......
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| Quote: gutterfax "
As for economic climate
Trouble is they're all there to shop at Primark! It's all they can afford!
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| Quote: gutterfax "WTF?
Bradford Bulls have now played London "away" 20 times in the 18 SL seasons....5 on the road games (4.900), 2 at the Valley (4,260), 5 at Griffin Park (4,000 average) and 8 at the Stoop (4,500).......they are the 4th best "draw card" in the SL calendar after St's, Wigan and Leeds....4,550 was the average before the wycombe night....not any more......it's now it's 4,394....seasons average is now 1,832....down 46% on what Gus inherited.
As for economic climate
Ok facts man, can you give me a figure on the average crowd for games against Bradford that have had the venue and date changed with a weeks notice, when the Broncos (or Quins) have not won at home that season ?
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| Maybe Facts Man could provide us with some updated stats on Cas fan base given their equally inept performances this year.
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| Quote: PC Plum "Ok facts man, can you give me a figure on the average crowd for games against Bradford that have had the venue and date changed with a weeks notice, when the Broncos (or Quins) have not won at home that season ?'"
Dismal, less than 1500.
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| If you question GF, you appear to be somehow automatically a defender of Gus.
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