I have always feared the affect on attendances from moving back to the East stand. The West is so much better for most fans and the fans have now moved around to be near friends/groups they prefer. I am sure this had an impact but am unsure atm how much. However, If I remember correctly it was more of an instruction to move we got rather than the club deciding to make a choice, which makes it difficult to criticise the club. Noises about it saving us money were put out afterwards (which is a debatable point if you lose fans) but it was the Sky people who we were told wanted it at the begining.

I am not saying that senior clubs should change from Saturday's at all or stop playing on a Saturday afternoon, since this is one of tradition and should not change. To do so would kill the game and be counterproductive to potential new talent.

My observation relates to junior rugby where parents have to take, or make arrangements to get the young'uns to games. Where junior teams play or train in the afternoon, Saturday or Sunday this could impact (and does - some clubs are training now) on those who would want to go and watch Quins or Scholars.

Result reduction of potential supporters for the professional clubs.

Many years ago I lived in the North, no junior games were played in the afternoons and those who wished went to watch the local professional club. I am just throwing out an observation for all parties trying to deliver an integrated approach for what is a brilliant game. The problem is support is fragmented or non-existent. This in one idea which should be considered, and who knows, may help to boast potential support for the professional clubs.

As a neutral (although after three seasons of watching quins - becoming more biased) I felt it was a good exciting game. Quins still seem to struggle with the second half of games - something I thought you were overcoming last season. It was a game you should have won and really lost with only 5 mins remaining!

What on earth was going on with the kicking tee? Surely quins can afford more than one! Messing around with that caused the kick out on the full!

Regarding the game experience all in one stand I thought was rubbish. We were in the Jesters and to be honest found ourselves watching the big screen as the view to the North end of the pitch is pretty poor, far worse than in the LV stand. We were in the Jesters not out of choice, but because last week when we purchased tickets the only club seats they had available were near the front.

It's been said that Sky wanted everybody in one stand - well the tries on Sky looked really good against a background of three apparently empty stands! Opposing fans sitting opposite each other adds to the game atmosphere - something lost when you're all in one stand. And what was the bit of empty seating about between the two sets of fans - was someone expecting it all to kick off!

Will I keep coming and paying money to watch quins? I'll be there for the Warrington game and if the experience is as poor again then may not bother. Daftdads comments about walk ups is key. You want to be able to feel that when you struggle with the public transport system you should at least be able to get a decent seat in a ground that isn't exactly capacity.

The worrying thing is PP that even with that the crowd was embarrassingly poor. Its frankly no good describing any marketing initiative that has clearly failed as good.

3800 crowds against one of the major draws in the game will kill the club long before we need to worry about another franchise. You dread to think what the Wakefield or Salford crowds might be

I think we can put some blame for the low crowd on TV. Both RU internatioanls were on and we were on Sky. It always causes a reduction in bums on seats when we're on sky. I hold my hand up here - 480 mile round trip or feet up on the sofa is no contest this weather!

And I think you'll find that our fixture with t'pies last year coincided with a kids tournament which our club organised, bringing in many schoolkids and hangers-on. it was also at a better time of year, weatherwise.
it's only the second game of a long season - come on faint-hearts be positive!!

Can someone explain to me why hasn't anyone jumped on daftdad's back with regards to this post? This is the type of post that people want censored on here. Spot on, but not what people want to read.

Disgraceful crowd (and no, I wasn't there), only saw second half which was disappointing and 2 points thrown away. No cutting edge, no direction, only thing that I think is going well are the forwards at the moment.

I can happily say I would rather have our pack than the shambles that Leeds put out tonight.

LISTER

Are you this abrupt and rude in the Student Union?

A couple of points to all who are obviously disappointed:

1) if Randell had not thrown the pass for the interception and we had gone on to win would you all have jumpoed on here with the usual negatives - I think not! It would have been brilliant this and brilliant that etc.

Five miuntes earlier Randell put int he 40 - 20 that led to the try to take us in to the lead - you of short memories.

But ulitmately we throw it away.


2) less than 4000 crowd is very disappointing, but those spouting a lack of atmosphere must have to much ear wax. My wife, daughter and I sit in the top row of block AH and we thought the flags and atmosphere pretty good - the singing from L&L certainly drifted down the south end of the stand and many joined in.

Nobody seems to have mentioned the flags? Will you be bringing them to the next home game, those who waved them so boldly as we ran in to the lead and then got back on front?


Hopefully the club keep putting the out. Why not give the L&L section some extra large flags?

3) the person moaning about the chip fat needs to get a life. Their just fishing for a reason not to come in the future!

4) ultimately it was a good game between two pretty equally matched sides. Both packs cancelled each other out such was the commitment on both sides, though I would say ours marginly edged it (as for once we contained Palli.. a fat bucket or however it is spelt). As both packs struggled to get on top it meant the half backs on both sides struggled to set a pattern. Orr was certainly the pick of both sides halves. Dorn was as "missing" as Tim "probably paid far more" Smith.


5) Robinson showed up defensively but certainly didn't do much wth ball in hand, and I didn't see any lines of running aka Lee Hopkins. On the other hand Clubb - magnificant in the second row. I'd say that is his long term position - get him running out wide from deep on to the ball. Use Robinson / Williamson to teach him how to defend as a second row - to go with the raw power of his tackling and there is a regular international of the future. Clubb and Hock of Wigan showed up well. (I have a secret longing for Hock to play for us, some of his running and all action style would be great for us)



6) LMS again showed up well and gave Fielden a good run about. Keep it up LMS. His try showed good forward strength and awareness.


7) Ref - other then missing the double movement for Baileys try had a good game. Looking ahead it is good we finally supporting other aspects of the French game.

Overall disappointed we lost, we should have won. The game was a good and evenly matched - so much better than a 60 point drubbing (LEEDS - SKY , say no more)

9) I actually thought a full East Stand worked. Had we had a crowd like last season (circa 8000) then three sides of the ground would have been full - AND THAT WOULD HAVE LOOKED VERY GOOD.

The up shot though was the crowd was down 50% - MARKETING DEPARTMENT YOU MUST DO BETTER!!!!!!

well done for not reading any of the previous posts in this thread.

No-one's got on Randall's back - most of us have acknowledged he was our best player up until his brain fart. But it still probably cost us the game - should we forget about that then?



But we didn't have the crowd like last season. So it didn't work.

OK...I wsn't there. Sometimes I have to tow the line with the missus and as I was at an engagement bash for US, I might have been missed. Don't worry, once the second ring is on her finger, things will change (please don't tell her I said that )
The point is, anything under 4,000 is unacceptable. Last year we had 8,000 and yes that was with 2,000 odd ankle biters given addmission but if Wigan brought their usual 1,000+, where have the 2,000 others from last year gone
Pi55 poor attitude to marketing at the club. As has been mentioned before, a real "field of dreams" attitude has been in place since I started watching the club and guess what.....YOU BUILT IT AND THEY AREN'T COMING!
As for the pints, I believe I am 2 down and might have to start laying off bets to insure I don't give you alcoholic poisoning by week 6

Stand arrangements have nothing to do with bums on seats - lack of marketing and awareness does. Were the club fails time and again!



Take a minute and think about it ... mum and dad and little Jonny are deciding to go and watch a game.

"shall we go and see Quins RL this Saturday"

"No, I don't think we should go love", ...

"why not?"...

"we can only sit in the East Stand or maybe south if it is a bit crowded"...

"yeh, good point. I'd hate to see us loose and have to sit in the East Stand as well."

"Jonny we are not going today, so get your X-Box RU 6 Nations game out, put on your Chelsea shirt and mum's coming with the pizza." ...

"Cheers dad, I never liked the East Stand spoils the game."


OR MAYBE IT GOES MORE LIKE THIS....


"Are Quins RL playing at the Stoop this week love?"

"No idea I haven't seen anything is a single paper around London"

"OK then, shall I just put a pizza in the oven and we can watch Ireland v England"


OR MAYBE IT GOES LIKE THIS...

"Is there still a Rugby League Team in London love?"

"No idea I haven't seen anything is a single paper around London for ages"

"OK then, shall I just put a pizza in the oven and we can watch Ireland v England"


You lot of WUM's need to get in the real world - stand arrangements my ar$e.

Poor marketing thats why there are not many bums on seats, and a economic recession that probably restricted Wigans travelling support.


One night in Feb. does not a summer or season make.

The bottom line is he did throw the pass and singlehandedly lost us the game. Dont ignore that fact. He did have a good game but lost us the game equally.

The other thing is we have not learned lessons from previous mistakes similar to this.

Why pass the ball at all. 5 mins to go why not 5 drives and a kick, defend in their half, make them make the mistake.

Chad is a great player but made a huge mistake. I also blame the coaching staff. They should have a close out game plan that comes into play if we are winning by any margin towards the end of a game. Teams have game plans to drive the ball up from kick offs............ closing a game out is a vital component of a game strategy