Like I've said before, we can market the product to death but there is no point when we can't get the fundamentals right. The posters are a complete waste of time when that is what is actually offered. What do people actually think the aim of this expensive marketing tool is? To create an interest? To increase awareness? The money would have been better spent on a half decent player or sacking McDermott, and then relying on word-of-mouth instead of posters selling a product that effectively doesn't exist.

IMO people aren't going to wander down to The Stoop after seeing one of these posters - people will do more research into it and find out that the side are awful. And even if they did wander down, they won't be returning, we'll be stuck at the bottom of the table with no club next season after we paniced after the RFL's little warning by implementing marketing strategies that a student could come up with that are completely wrong for what we need. Sort it out.

Good luck

The fundamental weaknesses in our squad we had last season are still there this season, admittedly there was more effort than the end of last season, but the options are limited. BJB was a shining light in an otherwise turgid side.

We lack go forward just like we did last year, Danny Ward plods along in the middle without making much impact, Wilkes played okay, but he doesn't give the impact a fit Gaz Haggerty did. Wakefield had forwards coming on to the ball at pace; we didn't, we were more likely to see a halve do that. Wakefield had more creative options; we had Luke Gale looking like a rabbit in the headlights when the ball came his way after the fifth, just not good enough.

I think one experienced reasonable quality halfback and one big, experienced battering ram prop could make a serious difference, for example Ben Jeffries and Shane Tronc would make a major difference to our side. Jeffries to take the pressure off Orr (let Gale play as an impact hooker like Rinaldi was), and Tronc to give us some go forward. I don't think our backs are actually a problem, it's just that we have no platform and limited options created from the halves.

Fair credit to Wakey, they've built a workmanlike side where the combinations cover the limitations of the individuals, they've got a very good chance of making the eight, although I don't see them challenging for silverware.

Stop spruking Tronc... The big man was blowing after 7-10 minutes, he has no lateral movement... Any half decent attack would have noticed that and directed the attack his way between 10-20 mark before he was replaced.

Average front rower

Yeah right

Morrison, Brough, Newton, Millard, Tronc, Obst etc - yep very limited and wormanlike, give it a rest.

TBH I think Wakey played within themselves on Saturday, and could have turned us over more convincingly had they really gave it a go. Thought they pretty much shut up shop mid way through the second half as we weren't offering much going forward.

We've gotta be better next week surely?

I can't honesty see any improvement from the second half of last season with the exception of BJB. Yes, we had more gas, before we should have in the first game of the season. Wakey just did what they needed to, an expansive would have ripped us to shreds. The attack consists of 13 players taking one-up hits and then a fumble of rushed kick on the sixth. It is so predictable. Yes, we were rusty but unless the playing style changes it will be heroic defence and heroic defeats.

Sorry to be so negative, but I thought Brian lost the plot last season, and I see no evidence of any change in mindset. Compare how John Kear has managed on a limited budget and how we have. Needless to say our 30th Anniversary year is going to be a wake. Go on boys prove me wrong. It is tragic when the main aim must be to get bums on seats, we will have a bore-fest, unless our opponents decide to entertain us. Can anyone explain why McDermott changed his game plan so dramatically, it is hard to think we beat Wire 60-0 last year. McDermott seems to have a 'bunker' mentality. Snap out of of it before it is too late.

I'm not pretending Tronc is a world beater, he's just a big cart horse to drive it down the middle, and that's one of the things we're missing. Heckenberg on form (which he wasn't most of the time) could do that, although he wasn't as bulky. Our problem is we've too much lateral movement, we're going sideways all the time cos there's no impact through the middle. I'd settle for any big, cart horse prop with decent NRL experience.

When it comes to creating something Wakey had Obst, Jeffries and Brough, now I don't really rate any of them that highly (Jeffries possibly pick of the bunch IMO), but they've got options between them. We had Orr, because Gale spent most of the game doing an impersonation of roadkill.

You're very touchy about your side. If you think these are anything more than competent professionals you're deluded, most of them have been shown the door by bigger clubs clubs. Millard and Tronc are solid NRL players, Obst was an NRL reserve grader. Brough has pace and a good kicking game, but his journeyman record is testament to him missing something that would make him a top class half. Morrison and Newton have both seen better days. It's not a bad side, but it's workmanlike, it's got "competence" rather than "class" stamped all over it.

Think your the deluded one, but hey I'll wait till the end of the season to see if your gob is still flapping like an open door.

I love your use of words like competent, class and workmanlike. They are always the cliche words people like you reach for when you can't accept the obvious.

If Tronc had joined Leeds or Saints you would be wetting yourself as to how potentially good he is. However he joined Wakey and you just can't take it - ditto Morrison and Millard (reserve judgement on Newton). It's really sad but we are used to it.

Get over yourself.

Give it a rest oh clueless one, he was the best yardage maker in the NRL last year and a top off loader. NQC were gutted to see him go. There are few flaws in his game and he was easily one of the top six props in the NRL last year.

Stop making a fool of yourself.