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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke "You make it sound like air transit are reliant on Toronto Wolfpack for there revenue stream! Trust me they have been in the airline business long enough to happily survive without TW money. Air Transat didn't need any fans from any club to break even, they just needed there normal passenger flow. TW lodged £300k with the RFL last year for away team travel and accommodation costs, that was part of the deals entering the league'"

Yip......and as a way to reduce other "outgoings" AitrTransat were on board as [TRUMP MODE]a massive sponsor...the biggest ever[TRUMP] in the history of the game.......yet suddenly, rather than play games at an alternate venue whilst lamport is being rejigged, they are essentially playing games in Blocks, which gives them a massive advantage...........they should be home and away like everyone else and if it's too cold, then they should find an indoor arena.......letting them start with a block of games in the UK, then finish by hosting teams fresh of the plane is just Biased.......sorry, but it is!

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As for the route being half empty, then it's obviously a loss making route for them hence the ability to offer "free" or heavily discounted seats for travelling teams the only cost then is the extra fuel burn which using conservative figures is going to be about 500kg of fuel each way which in the grand scheme is nothing, trust me when they start filling that route they will start paying.
So actually we are agreed then dog, TW is a rich mans plaything who will be around as long as mr Perez puts his Money in

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But they are a development team dog! Should they not be allowed to do that without anyone complaining? Or are you saying it gives them an unfair advantage? Am confused now, in another thread I do believe you said London Broncos should not be bound by the overseas player rule, would that not effectively give LB an advantage over teams they play that were bound by overseas player rule.
Actually in my opinion they should play home and away the same as everyone else, if it's not possible due to weather then it's a bit of an inconcieved plan, bit like having world ski champs in the alps in august. It will be interesting if/when they are inserted into SL if the other SL teams will be as willing to bend to there demands.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke " I do believe you said London Broncos should not be bound by the overseas player rule, '"

I did.....and I think I also said that we should get a minimum 25% compensation of the cap too. Toronto having a squad that is "very close to being full cap"....<s> UNDER THE CAP MY 'ARRIS<s> and being able to field a team full of aussies isn't my gripe....but them playing the last 12 regular games next year at Home whilst the opponents will be just off the plane is.......

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But you are still suggesting that we should be allowed an advantage over other teams but other teams shouldnt.
As for the away teams just getting off the plane, nothing stopping them travelling earlier! They just pay for it

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke "But you are still suggesting that we should be allowed an advantage over other teams but other teams shouldnt.'"

Yes....we are running an academy and we will produce more players but it will take time......and until such time we should be allowed play as many ANZACS as we need.......and more cash because living in London ain't living in Leigh!

Quote: northernbloke "As for the away teams just getting off the plane, nothing stopping them travelling earlier! They just pay for it'"

icon_lol.gif eusa_wall.gif icon_beat.gif icon_frustrated.gif icon_biggrin.gifRUNK: icon_lol.gif ...now I know you're just looking for an argument!

Toronto came to us and already in year 1 we let them play 4/5 on the trot away....not that's more with the last dozen at hoe and on the trot......it'll be like bige-watching a netflix show for their 300 or so beer-loving fans......

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Am never after an argument just healthy debate! The fact is if Toronto were to be doing home and away alternating the costs would be extortionate, I doubt even air transat would stomach that deal. We could get into that discussion of what day broncos travelled to away games, night before and overnight in hotels or travel up the morning before a game! Does it really make that much difference to how they perform on the park? For me I would suggest very little.
Crossing the Atlantic is slightly different I agree but it's a 4 hr time difference so a 1630 local kick off is a 2030 uk time kick off, simple for any club travelling stay on UK time for sleep patterns hey ho no jet lag. So 7 and a bit hrs sat in an airplane with a night to recover or 4 hrs sat in a coach on the m6 m1 with a couple if hours.
For the good of expansion it's not that hard

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke "The fact is if Toronto were to be doing home and away alternating the costs would be extortionate'"

So? We were assured that they were cashed up and other teams wouldn't be adversely affected.......If it costs them or AirTransat loads then so what....their sponsorship deal we were told was massive.
I am not saying we were told lies, but I can only comment on what I see and that is a schedule skewed to suit the new side.......it could be argued that when the pitch was being worked on at Griffin Park, we could and should have just asked to play away games for 8 straight weeks then the end of the season with 8 Home games....it sure would have been easier to build a marketing momentum up. I'd imagine the flat earth brigade (some of whom are pro-Toronto but were anti-London??????) would have gone ballistic......and it would have bee added to the team full of aussies, extra payments and over the cap conspiracy theories that abounded back then........and....

.........we're told that all clubs are currently under the cap and it's managed "live"....I wonder what accounting software the Canadians are using eusa_whistle.gif

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But they are a development side? Should the sport not be doing everything it can to ensure they succeed, you suggested they should bend the rules for london!!! Not sure how you can suggest one thing for us and then criticise efforts for others.
I actually don't disagree with you, they shouldn't be playing games in blocks, the pitch is artificial so should not be that adversely effected by the weather!! Their is sport played on it year round!
But the RFL in its wisdom are willing to bend to see them succeed. They did something for Catalans as well remember, and in the past I believe we had relaxed rules on overseas players, so hey that's how it is.
We have 35 plus years under our belt, we are not a development side anymore.

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Quote: "the pitch is artificial so should not be that adversely effected by the weather!! '"


if its not on the floor you can't play on it!!

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Wq you read any of the thread. Bad planning is bad planning!
If you start a business that relies on local support, building that support one year knowing that it's highly unlikely you can deliver the promised goods the following year is simply daft.

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Quote: "building that support one year knowing that it's highly unlikely you can deliver the promised goods the following year is simply daft.'"


Or very clever

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Quote: Call Me God "'tis my recollection that the biggest "dummy spit" was Sky moving a game day in France for Quins v Catalans.....meaning that about 30 or so fans were actually in the air heading back to London when the game was kicking off.......some bloke called fax in the gutter or some other like-name was invited to Parliament for his aggressive stance towards Murdoch and the RFL thinking that they own the game when in fact it is actually us fans that own and pay for the game.......I do often wonder what happened to that stalwart of reality?
Toronto bled cash last year and will do so this......if they don't go up then it'll soon become apparent that the "rich blokes" toy isn't worth the investment.....I've had reports from Toronto residents that what we perceive here isn't actually what's happening there......8k gates were nothing like 8k and their core support is in the 3 hundreds......with an awful lot of freebies and favours being dished out.......it's an expensive habit this RL thing....just ask Dave
You're absolutely correct. They owe money everywhere including Kit Supplier, Car Rentals (Noble and his wife plus Vickers and the Rowley family all have nice cars in the UK for when they are here) Physio and Medical suppliers, other clubs for hospitality......the list goes on.

You also have the small matter of them having about 3 different companies set up in the UK with Perez and Argyle resigning only to be replaced by Noble on the first day the company was set up.

Add to that Adam Fogerty is hunting Perez down for double dealing antics against him you have quite a different picture being built.

It is fairly obvious they never once got anything like 7000 in that stadium, even the least observant guy in the World would have spotted the numbers in the stands didn't look anything close to even 4000 and having spoken to Perez several times I can assure you the guy is an absolute idiot off his head on Canabis most of the time and when not stoned he is like an angry little puppy walking around muttering 'we're f***ing Toronto' or other rubbish. I spoke to the guy who heads up Premier Sports in the UK at the RFL Championships dinner and he said the game day experience there was no different to Hunslet or Dewsbury other than some ridiculous people with a drum dressed in fancy dress and silly Wolf noises all through the game. They have beer tents, two open air stands and merchandise for sale from a trestle table under a gazebo.

And people thought the biggest challenge they faced this year was keeping the squad sober icon_lol.gif

Still they have a hot dog gun and are a breath of fresh air to the game. People need to wake up, they are all smoke and mirrors, why do you think Craig Hall left? Nothing like what he signed up for.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: MonkeyLover "And people thought the biggest challenge they faced this year was keeping the squad sober icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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