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| Rammo, or should I call you 'Statto'.
I'm going to take issue with you on the snobbery against Gillingham (though I note some of the disparaging remarks on here).
I think a lot of people prefer the Stoop because it is a rugby ground, not a football ground.
It's got a decent sized bar. The stewards don't assume you're about to kick off. We don't have to go 'on the road' for two months every summer.
The leafyness or otherwise of the surrounding streets is of no consequence.
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| Quote: jaybs "Common sense at last
no, I mean the 890 ST holders......would it really make that much difference to the club?
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| Quote: gutterfax "no, I mean the 890 ST holders......would it really make that much difference to the club?'"
Only time will tell GF!
I agree with much Rammo has to say, I feel we have a much better chance remaining in London and with a campaign " Broncos to Stay in London"
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| £99 grossly undervalues the product. The £15 pay on the day fee must be the cheapest in the league; with a season ticket your seventh game costs only £9 and the remaining six are totally free. That's if you go to every game of course.
I think having them so cheap encourages people to miss games when they're feeling a bit apathetic and the results and performances are poor. I had one last year, but as it was so cheap it felt easy to miss games as I didn't really feel I'd wasted a significant amount of money. (If I'd paid more I'd have been more minded to keep going and get some value for my money.) By the end of the season I'd more or less completely lost interest so didn't renew.
A few years ago I paid £300 for a "Gold" season ticket on the halfway line. I'd had a bit of a windfall at the time so splashed out, but I don't think £200 for a standard season ticket would be overpriced.
It doesn't matter what the ticket prices are if we go to Gillingham as I won't be there.
Quote: Gold "Of course you would have to trust to luck that this move is the right one of course. I've seen no data to suggest it is or isn't!'"
That's exactly why so many of us are so sceptical. We seem to make these moves over and over again, and they never seem to work our right in the long term. The fact that this move would entail moving right out of Greater London makes it the most radical switch so far. The club would need to replace all the disaffected current supporters who won't travel to Gillingham, as well as finding more new supporters to take the average crowd figure to a financially viable level. I just hope there's genuine reason to believe this will happen, and it's not just another gambler's throw of the dice.
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| Quote: markrammond "
Except of course if he strongly favours the Twickenham Stoop because it is purpose built for Rugby Union and is an upper middle class base versus the more working class population of Gillingham and footie ground. This snobbery aspect may of course play a part in some people's thinking.'"
Mark - get over your Northern inverted snobbery. The Stoop is a great ground with great facilities, it may be in a "nice" part of London but you only have to go 1 mile north to be in what you would call a working class area. Most lower league football grounds do not have a big enough pitch and we would get kicked off in the height of the season. Gillingham is a dump - end of and is miles away.
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| Unfortunately, our CEO probably equates The Stoop with failure and would probably point to the dwindling crowds and the increasing QRU crowds as reasons not to stay.
I love The Stoop and I'd like us to stay but if the rent is a lot more expensive than somewhere else, then I have to concede that moving is a good option (if that somewhere else is in London, not miles away in friggin Gillingham!).
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| Quote: markrammond "Let's assume a sports fans A and B live in central London and they are both based within walking distance of the London Kings Cross/St Pancras railway stations.
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My observation is that the overwhelming majority of supporters are already coming into central London and out again so will only really pick up the extra £9 cost, if they still come to the ground.
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Hmmm - not sure even the basic premise of an overwhelming majority of fans (a) arriving by train and (b) coming into London first is true. But, still, are you saying that all those that do come into London arrive at Kings X? Many away fans, yes, but how many home supporters have Kings X as their London station?
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| I know plenty of fans that go in and out of London using public transport (not Kings X though).
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| Quote: Dan Stains woz God "I know plenty of fans that go in and out of London using public transport.'"
I go in and out of despair watching us play
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| Quote: Dan Stains woz God "I know plenty of fans that go in and out of London using public transport (not Kings X though).'"
Yeah, out of an average 2500 crowd, I would reckon something like 1500 come into London first (the rest would be locals, cars, coaches) but my point is that, of that perhaps 1500, only a small proportion of Broncos fans will have Kings X as their London station.
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| Agree with you Colly.
Back to the topic of ST prices, ours are far too cheap and have been so for years.
Although everyone is voting to pay more, I wonder if they would in reality?
Seem to remember we get people moaning about pricing every year and frankly, we have a lot of people saying "I only come to a few games" well, would have thought those people might have stumped up £99 for a ST last year but they didn't.
I will continue to buy the dearest ST in the vain hope that we may get some of the perks we were promised.
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| We need to name and shame the cheapskates on here who did not stump up the the full wonga for a ST
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| i know away fans aren't really an issue here, but i cant see too many of them coming all the way to gillingham, especially after the novelty of the first season has worn off. it could be that the away support dwindles considerably too.
if this does happen, i would imagine the medway club will have a fairly large say in what is going on, as it was their hard work which made the hull game much more of a success then it could/should have been. however, this is a club which has aspirations to get into the championship structure in its own entity. having broncos on their doorstep would surely be a hindrance to this, would it not?
for me, it doesn't add up. are 3,000 different people going to show up to replace the 3,000 averages at present. i doubt that.
if i was still around, staying at the stoop would be the preference, and paying 200 pounds is not at all unreasonable.
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| Hard to disagree with any of that GW.
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| As an away (Wigan) fan I'd be very sorry too see you move from the Stoop. Next to Catalan it's my favourite away trip, although the band in the bar post match this year wasn't up to your normal standard.
Gilingham seems a very strange choice, but we'll still come down (already looked at local hotels). I used to like Brentford, are they not having a new ground built, so would that not be a better fit IF you have to move?
Like most of the posters on here I hope you stay at the Stoop. Good luck, and well done on securing Tony Rea as your coach.
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