No thanks I shall stick to challenging rubbish posted by your good self, as per

which bold text apparantly now in your mind means not being opposite but actually being at 90 degrees to each other, much like the Stoop East & North Stands then, and who did you banter with at the Valley?

ps don't lecture me on school kid posts when the majority of yours are name calling of the highest degree, the AUP applies to me and I never hide behind it.............if I did, you would have been banned ages ago.

'scuse me, but across the pitch or at a 90 degree angle, you know what I meant. I think having everyone in the same stand doesn't help the atmosphere at games. I never watched a game at the Valley as well you know and as for the last bit, the majority of my posts are not name calling and certainly not of the highest degree. I think I have had 1 post edited by a mod and 1 request to edit one myself in all the years I have posted on here, so as for being banned.......?
Tell you what, I'll agree with Listy. There, happy? Let the club continue to implode, leak fans and shake their heads saying "don't worry, wer're OK", when it is obvious there are issues both on and off the pitch.

Im confused-What customer service are we to expect when attending a rugby game

I have a seat in a modern stand/ground
I have access to a comfortable bar/toilets
My season ticket turns up before the season starts
The turnstiles are manned with no queueing
I have access to stewards should I have a problem

Get yourself to the Jungle and see what they get.
Having spent many a season on the terraces at Wilderspool I can tell you I feel spoilt at the Stoop.

My belief is because we have access to the players and chairman etc some may feel they own the club ie like shareholders. Go to Wigan, Warrington, Hull etc and you get a pint under the stand in the corridor, go to your seat/terrace, watch the game, then leave. No access to anything(unless you pay corporate), no interaction with players/club staff - nothing

Dave, while I applaud those who choose to make RL their No 1 priority it is surely not disputable that there are not enough people in that camp to keep RL in London afloat without a sugar daddy. In time maybe that will change but after 25 years you'd probably bet against it. Therefore Quins simply have to branch out to try and attract the casual fan in the hope that he/she becomes the dedicated fan that the club needs.

Now all this flies in the face of those who are the loyal ones but maybe some of the issues that are being discussed here do need to at least be recognised by the club and I believe the East v West stand debate is a real one

My first season ticket at the Stoop was indeed in the East Stand, I was forced without choice to move to the West at a discount for one season but then my season ticket rose by 40% hence I chose to move to the end of the West stand where I could still get a decent ST price (what with RL not being my No 1 priority). Having sat in both I doubt anyone would argue that the view is better from the East, maybe some like the atmosphere, the sun etc but the view is worse. The whole experience ultimately meant me drifting away and to be honest not likely to come back. Cost is an issue for me with other priorities in life and living 60 miles away is also but I cannot say I was looking forward to the East Stand experience. Its a far better stand than most in SL but NOT the best in the ground which I cannot get my head around

I would love the club to share the costs of stewarding and cleaning both stands because then the debate could be had on factual grounds. Opening one stand shows no ambition and probably is what we should expect because the club shows no ambition.

Sadly its going down the pan, at the moment both on and off the field and arguing the t*ss with each other does nothing to help at all. There are IMO some good ideas on here but at the end of of the day asking the fans for money to support development is nonsense, the answer is to go out and win new fans not fleece the existing ones because they will get fed up

So another couple of weeks has gone by and still not a whisper of anything being done by the club to address the attendance issue, how ANYONE can not feel that action is needed is beyond me and how ANYONE can simply keep on defending the club and its management is also beyond me

I may not go any more but that doesn't stop me caring

Unfortunately when business decisions are made not everyone will be happy. If these people with long service under their belts leave that is a sad day, but sadly the business must make decisions, rightly or wrongly for the good of the greater club and the future.

Maybe PB feels the club needs a new direction as the past philosophy has shown the crowd is decreasing and he is going to target a new audience-I dont know

£100 for a seasons top flight rugby league sat in a modern stadium is a magnificent deal.

As I have said we are spoilt with what we have. Lots of away fans say what a great match day experience they have at the Stoop. Does that not tell a story.

Oh my god. Could you be any more patronising? Why are you getting all offended and defensive?

So seemingly these people pay lots of money and the rest of us should shut up because we've not supported the team for so long. We cannot have an opinion on anything. Only the gold season ticket holders who are tossing their season tickets away should be considered. They go from wanting to give money to the club by buying expensive tickets to not buying a season ticket at all?! Great! Fantastic!

Oh boo hoo, the backbone of the club have had enough, I really could not care less if they are all self-righteous snobs like you come across on here. And I bet if we won the SL they would be first in the queue for season tickets next season proclaiming how their contribution was so vital. But hey, lets not go back to the point I was actually trying to make but turn it back to "they've supported the club for longer so they must be considered". Ignore that.

Well done Wirequin for putting the thing in context.

However, there is no reason why we should not try to improve things. Shame on the fans of the clubs mentioned for not campaigning for more, but there are a few things that could and should be improved so why not.

PS I spent my formative years at the The Hut End at the Willows, crumbling terracing, a tea hut, open concrete smelly bogs ........it still makes me smile, it felt like heaven, but that was because the team improved year on year for about ten years. All things are relative.

Spot on WQ. I would never consider paying £300 for a season ticket and don't feel the need to. I am happy with watching 80 minutes of RL and plenty of others are too.

As you say, away fans love the trip to The Stoop, but apparently nothing is good enough for our supporters and even though they are such MASSIVE supporters and have been since the Fulham days, the club is in the worst state it has ever been in and aren't worth supporting anymore. Honestly, if people have this attitude I could not care less that they are walking away, take it in a new direction and get plenty of paying punters through the gates to enjoy the day instead of those continually whining and complaining about the side of the ground that is open and how badly they are apparently being treated.

Quins RL is not a support group or a creche, its a professional RL team. If you feel you need more than this than I suggest taking up another more social hobby. Or maybe the church.

PP- PB has explained in his letter why we are staying put. He has referenced the supporters opinions but has ultimately come up with the business decision - East stand- We are not fully informed as to why but why should we be- but Im happy to accept it.

How much better does it get? 5 metres closer with 2 inches more leg room. Not significant I would suggest-Only my opinion.

Well said Wire and Listy.

I cannot believe some of the stuff I'm reading on here.

OK, I would prefer being seated in the West stand but the East stand is fine and has great facilities (particularly if you compare it to the majority of RL grounds!).

Bottom line is that it's too expensive to open up the West stand for the supporter base we have at the moment (and PB does say that the situation will be reviewed, which presumably means that when we have enough fans, we will be able to have both stands open).

The new season ticket prices are fantastic value and I certainly will be renewing mine.

BTW, I wonder how many of you would be reacting like this had we received these letters after the HKR game?

It seems to me that we are winning one competition this year. I thought it was between Bradford and Hull, but I now realise that we are fore-runners for the title "Most Miserable Bunch of Whining G*t League Fans".