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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: meliferra "<snip>.'"
AK has a new FULL TIME paying tenant at a facility that he let out for the occasional party and corporate 5 a side event.
He also has a new reason to open the Hive to the public at a score a pop 13 times this year. Those that pay to get in will also spend money in his bars and restaurants as well as in his shop.
He has also received funding from the RFL to market these 13 events, where he keeps the ticketing, bar, restaurant and shop takings.
I'm risk averse......but that is risk free.
If it goes wrong, it goes wrong for the Broncos. AK has cash in the bank.......
BTW, this attitude from Barnet fans of "if you don't come to games, it's your own fault when it fails" is nothing new. It has been the attitude of David Hughes since 2008 (and before probably)....do you need me to go over how that's panned out for us?
Nobody knows we exist. Seriously....2006-2013 at Twickenham and no effort was made to let people know we existed.
For the record, there is an RFL guy on loan to the club/hive on facebook and twitter for the club at the moment.....the first home game is in 9 days time and the crux of the marketing by Barnet FC/The Hive to date is an offer on their website........this isn't going to end well! |
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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: meliferra "ooohh!! look!!
Broncos could actually do worse.
I don't think anyone wants to see this and we should be aiming to avoid further shame. regardless of whether this Gus guy is involved'"
but as I have shown.......there is no negative consequence for AK or the Hive if the fans don't turn up. If we average 2k this year, he'll bank 1 million pounds in tickets and residuals, + his RFL marketing money, + the rent on Underhill and administration charges.......worst case scenario for his is.....actually, there isn't one! |
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| Quote: gutterfax "AK has a new FULL TIME paying tenant at a facility that he let out for the occasional party and corporate 5 a side event.
He also has a new reason to open the Hive to the public at a score a pop 13 times this year. Those that pay to get in will also spend money in his bars and restaurants as well as in his shop.
He has also received funding from the RFL to market these 13 events, where he keeps the ticketing, bar, restaurant and shop takings.
I'm risk averse......but that is risk free.
If it goes wrong, it goes wrong for the Broncos. AK has cash in the bank.......
BTW, this attitude from Barnet fans of "if you don't come to games, it's your own fault when it fails" is nothing new. It has been the attitude of David Hughes since 2008 (and before probably)....do you need me to go over how that's panned out for us?
Nobody knows we exist. Seriously....2006-2013 at Twickenham and no effort was made to let people know we existed.
For the record, there is an RFL guy on loan to the club/hive on facebook and twitter for the club at the moment.....the first home game is in 9 days time and the crux of the marketing by Barnet FC/The Hive to date is an offer on their website........this isn't going to end well!'"
So no figures then, how unlike you |
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Life is pretty simple: You do stuff. Most fails. Some works. You do more of what works.:cartoons/WB24.gif |
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| Quote: gutterfax "Catalans 1,136
Salford 1,517
Wakefield 1,887
Huddersfield 1,800 (2nd game in London 2001)
Castleford 1,810
HKR 1,837
Widnes 2,117
Hull FC 1,865
Wire 2,261
Bradford 1,441
Leeds 2,377
Saints 2,839
Wigan 3,200 (2nd game in London 2007)
of the above 13 teams that will visit us in 2014, Gus has delivered 11 LOWEST ever attendances and in the case of the other 2, second lowest attendances, only beaten by years when the away fans had to make 2 trips.
With no prospect of AK doing "deals" to get crowds up, I suspect Gus may well stand a chance of getting the Wigan and Hudds crowds to add to his CV of shame!'"
Well I'm glad to hear it had nothing to do with the dross served up on the pitch. |
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| Quote: gutterfax "but as I have shown.......there is no negative consequence for AK or the Hive if the fans don't turn up. If we average 2k this year, he'll bank 1 million pounds in tickets and residuals, + his RFL marketing money, + the rent on Underhill and administration charges.......worst case scenario for his is.....actually, there isn't one!'"
So the figures are 1 + 1 + Errm... - Errmmm.. = Happy Days 
Just admit you don't know |
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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: Southern Reiver "Well I'm glad to hear it had nothing to do with the dross served up on the pitch.'"
We finished on 12 points with 5 wins and 2 draws last year....we had 2 more wins in 2004 and one les draw to finish on 15 points but also had 1,247 MORE fans per home game...or 56% if you like.
In Y2K we had 12 points from 6 wins.....and 1,217 more fans per game, or 55% if you like.
YBG (year before gus) we got 2 more points and still had 1,167 more fans per game or 52% if you like
A winning team is a massive help..........but don't hide behind a losing one to explain away crap crowds and even worse PR/Marketing! |
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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: meliferra "So the figures are 1 + 1 + Errm... - Errmmm..
what do you mean "admit I don't know" Know what?
I know that AK is investing nothing....nada, not a brass farthing in the club in 2014 but is Receiving rent, ticket and shop revenues and a marketing budget from the RFL.
I don't care if it all comes to a total income of 56p....it would be 56p more than he is investing in the London Broncos. THAT'S THE PERTINENT POINT!
As for exact facts and figures.....I may get them eventually.......whether I choose to share them with you as I have done with other information I am sent is another matter, given how defensive you've become over any questioning regarding AK.
For the record, I'll repeat this just for you. I say well done to AK and good on him.....he has a cracking deal for 2014 and will make money. The amount of money he makes though, will dictate his involvement past this year..
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| Quote: gutterfax "I know that AK is investing nothing....nada, '"
That's the point, you cannot even say that with confidence. There is a level of investment required here that TK will need to get back through ticket receipts. How much the charges from the online ticketing, automated turnstyle software, additional staff, wear and tear etc costs and how much he is charging for Underhill or receiving for Admin are all unknowns to you so you are making unsupported claims with insufficent information. As for marketing, he gets it he spends it so I don't see much profit to be had there unless you are suggesting he will be keeping some of the RFL money to one side.
Quote: gutterfax "given how defensive you've become over any questioning regarding AK.'"
I am no lover of TK for reasons I wont go into, but I am opposed to the posting of so called facts using insufficent or incorrect information. This is why we clashed yesterday over your travel observations. |
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| Quote: gutterfax "A winning team is a massive help..........but don't hide behind a losing one to explain away crap crowds and even worse PR/Marketing!'"
Hadn't realised I was hiding, just perhaps making a point you had somehow managed to overlook in your statement. Perhaps the preceding few years of finishing nearly last and starting each year with a resounding wimper added to the decline, coupled with the broader economy and I'm quite happy to agree with you a woeful lack of marketing and direction. |
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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: meliferra "That's the point, you cannot even say that with confidence. '"
I can say it with 100% confidence. AK is not investing a brass farthing in the London Broncos this year. See...I said it again, confidently ![]()
Quote: meliferra "and how much he is charging for Underhill or receiving for Admin are all unknowns'"
Unknowns they are, but as I said, they are INCOMES with no OUTGOINGS other than the usual running costs. New software is for the Hive......not for the Broncos and I have explained how ticketing is priced to accommodate all of the residual overheads.
Quote: meliferra "to you so you are making unsupported claims with insufficent information.'"
so you dispute my claim that if the ticket revenue + residuals in the bar, shop and restaurants came to 56p it is 56p more than AK is investing in the Broncos?
Quote: meliferra "As for marketing, he gets it he spends it so I don't see much profit to be had there unless you are suggesting he will be keeping some of the RFL money to one side.'"
RFL staff member posting on twitter, the club site and facebook and Barnet FC offering a family ticket for 30 quid is not marketing.....neither is announcing the Broncos at half time at an FC game....nor is asking volunteers to leaflet the borough. I'll let you know when he starts to market the club using the FL funds...
Quote: meliferra "I am no lover of TK for reasons I wont go into, but I am opposed to the posting of so called facts using insufficent or incorrect information. This is why we clashed yesterday over your travel observations.'"
I'm not not a fan of the guy....he come across a straight talking salesman and that I like.
See my travel advice has become an observation now 
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| Quote: gutterfax "I can say it with 100% confidence. AK is not investing a brass farthing in the London Broncos this year. See...I said it again, confidently ![]()
People through the turnstyles have not paid for Broncos team for a long time. All ticket revenue has done is determine how much money DH finds out of his own pocket and he has clearly had enough of signing a blank cheque each year. I believe what he and the RFL have done is fix his investment at a level that he is happy to make for the time being.
It is also a misconception in terms of if Broncos stay at the have then the investment made in the hive to accommodate them will have been to the benefit to the Broncos and therefore I would deem it an investment in the Broncos. Afterall it's not much good to the Hive without the Broncos.
Quote: gutterfax "These are running and development costs. Unless London Broncos take the ticketing software with them when they go, they are investments into his facility. Wear and tear is 13 extra days use of the stadium...it is covered by normal sporting clubs when setting ticket prices, along with depreciation costs too.'"
I was referring to initial up front set-up costs that need to be met before Broncos can use the Hive. Doesnt matter whether Broncos take it with them as it is still a cost to be met that wouldn't need to be covered if Broncos didnt come .
Quote: gutterfax "Unknowns they are, but as I said, they are INCOMES with no OUTGOINGS other than the usual running costs. New software is for the Hive......not for the Broncos and I have explained how ticketing is priced to accommodate all of the residual overheads.
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Again new software not required if Broncos don't come and pretty much useless afterwards and again ticket pricing to support what level of support? 2? 3? 4000? that was my point, we cannot claim that TK is quids in and does not need to market the Broncos because we don't know what attendance he requires to break even. If anything he has more interest in getting bums on seats than those administering the Broncos before as it determines his bottom line.
I have no interest in arguing what does or does not constitute marketing, it's a budget to be spent and I'll let others work out whether they think it worked.
Quote: gutterfax "See my travel advice has become an observation now ![]()
Yes I allowed you your pedantry. Makes no odds to me
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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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Quote: meliferra "I can say it with 100% confidence. AK is not investing a brass farthing in the London Broncos this year. See...I said it again, confidently ![]()
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Quote: meliferra "People through the turnstyles have not paid for Broncos team for a long time. All ticket revenue has done is determine how much money DH finds out of his own pocket and he has clearly had enough of signing a blank cheque each year. I believe what he and the RFL have done is fix his investment at a level that he is happy to make for the time being.'"
Waffle that doesn't counter my assertion above....how much DH subs the club is not under discussion, but the level of financial investment from AK in 2014 is.
You continue....
Quote: meliferra "It is also a misconception in terms of if Broncos stay at the have then the investment made in the hive to accommodate them will have been to the benefit to the Broncos and therefore I would deem it an investment in the Broncos. Afterall it's not much good to the Hive without the Broncos. '"
What investment?
ah...
Quote: meliferra "I was referring to initial up front set-up costs that need to be met before Broncos can use the Hive. Doesnt matter whether Broncos take it with them as it is still a cost to be met that wouldn't need to be covered if Broncos didnt come .'"
Nope...still not sure of the investment you're on about....
Quote: meliferra "Again new software not required if Broncos don't come and pretty much useless afterwards and again ticket pricing to support what level of support? 2? 3? 4000? that was my point'"
New software very much required. Ticketing at Barnet FC has been a bone of contention between the club and the fans....don't lump the software upgrade on us. It was coming anyway. 
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