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| With all the cost-cutting going on elsewhere within the club I don't think we need bother talking about pie-in-the-sky ideas for a share in Brentford's stadium. Wound up by the 2014 Grand Final.
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| Having a close the club down day are we 78
Interns=close the club
Stoop=close the club
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| Quote: east stander "Having a close the club down day are we 78
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Nothing to do with the Stoop, I like the ground and it's probably our best bet when you compare it to anythign else on offer. I just don't see anything coming out of the club that suggests the attitude or approach is going to change in any way shape or form. Which makes the whole thing a bit pointless really.
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| Which makes what pointless exactly?
You still get to see SL every week. We have a new coach, a bit of hope for the playoffs given the end of season form, you like the Stoop
DH may have made a decision to keep forking out- How does that effect you?
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| Quote: Snoopy "I think a share in Lionel Rd project would be great for us but the new owner there has plenty of money and i dont think needs us. Wonder what half a share would cost and whether DH has that sort of money anyway.'"
The RFL should have done something years ago about having a LONDON RL GROUND! when we first left Fulham! it could and should have been a Centre of Excellence for RL in the South, all the community teams based there and the HQ for RL & Super League in London, but no they did nothing they were supposed to have sent in help wonder what they did! instead they buy a big hole in the ground for Bradford to save them and ensure that the sale of the ground did not give the people owned £6 Million their monies back! I would not put Nigel Woods in charge of anything and he is shaping the Future of the game and he is part and responsible for the disaster the game is in!
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| 30 years ago Warrington plus plenty of other "big" heartland clubs were failing and you think the RFL had a vision to waste all there money on a ground in London. No really
Wigan had only just returned to the top flight from the second division. Thats what was going on in them days!
There was no Sky deals!!
What disaster is the game in? Crowds growing, Sky deal the biggest we have had, more youth playing than ever before, more youngsters making the top level, new teams in Oxford and other southern regions playing semi pro.......it goes on
Look a bit further than the empty seat next to you in the west stand.
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| Quote: east stander "30 years ago Warrington plus plenty of other "big" heartland clubs were failing and you think the RFL had a vision to waste all there money on a ground in London. No really
There was no Sky deals!!
What disaster is the game in? Crowds growing, Sky deal the biggest we have had, more youth playing than ever before, more youngsters making the top level, new teams in Oxford and other southern regions playing semi pro.......it goes on '"
Of course there are good points in the game, perhaps 30 years back may have been the wrong time, but when the Sky money came in for the first time where did that money go? the majority in players high wages, yes they deserved to go higher, but I know many average players who were being paid wages well above their availability. When Sky came on board it was money like the game had never seen before, but did they spend the money on grounds that were many derelict, No!
More Youth playing than ever before, Yes mainly in the South and expansion areas that is not the case in all of the heartlands of the game, yes it is great and I am so pleased about such as Oxford but that is not the opinion of a majority in the North, they are more concerned about their Hunslet's etc
The disaster or serious errors made by those who run the game are such as the Stobart sponsorship, add to that the lack of major sponsorship for such as the Challenge Cup how much do you think a Leeds University pay? crowds growing, but we can't even fill Wembley for a Challenge Cup Final, and look at the crowds for the end of season Mickey Mouse Premiership, did you see the attendance figures last weekend? or the empty terraces all around the stadium in Wigan? Look at the money Union get for their Premiership sponsorship and what BT are talking about for TV coverage £150 million for 4 years!
So yes there are some good points but I don't see the report over the past year being A * plus! and that is the responsibility of those who run the game, the top man being the one to shape the future, sorry but No! that is not the way forward for me.
interesting to see what Bryn Hargreaves says today to the Bradford Argus as he announces his retirement to take a better paid job out of the game.
"We could talk all day about what’s wrong with rugby league and that affected my decision too. It’s a short career and we don’t make vast amounts of money but the segregation of wages in the game is pretty bad and it’s getting worse."
He also spoke out about the licensing system and the infamous Stobart Super League sponsorship deal, for which the clubs did not receive a penny, but instead saw their brands advertised on the side of Eddie Stobart lorries.
He added: "The sport is on tenterhooks at the moment and the people in charge of the game need to do something about it. I thought this whole licensing process was supposed to stop things like this happening. But it’s happened to three clubs now – Wakefield, Crusaders and Bradford – in such a short space of time and there are other clubs that are on the verge.
It’s a downward spiral and there is no way of raising the cap to sign players because the clubs don’t have any money.
The Stobart deal has to be the worst sponsorship deal in history. How can it actually be a sponsor if there’s no actual money for it? It’s obviously not worked and things need to change."
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| Quote: east stander "Which makes what pointless exactly?
You still get to see SL every week. We have a new coach, a bit of hope for the playoffs given the end of season form, you like the Stoop
DH may have made a decision to keep forking out- How does that effect you?'"
Supporting a team is about much more than simply paying a few quid to watch a game of rugby or whatever. There's an emotional and psychological commitment too. There comes a point where you have to consider if it's worth it, especially if the club is doing everything it can to push you away and ultimately destroy itself. London Broncos have been on a downward spiral for a long time, and the signals coming out from the club are that they've learned nothing.
If it was just about watching SL then I could do that from home or the pub. Which, it seems, a lot of ex-fans have decided to do.
I guess what I'm saying is, either do it properly or don't bother at all and give another club a shot at it.
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| People forget that 30 years ago the RL was a very different organisation to what it is today. It was basically a variant on the London gentlemen's clubs (women, with the exception of waitresses, were banned from the Wigan boardroom until the mid-eighties when they were forced to admit Kath Hetherington and Barbara Close as they were Chairpersons of their respective clubs), with all the clubs voting on how their cosy little world was run and David Oxley was the League secretary who theoretically did their bidding. A strong secretary like Fallowfield could sometimes bully them into doing what they weren't keen on, but even he wasn't always able to shift the vested interests that were the club chairmen. It was only when it finally sank into their pinheads as to how far behind the Australians we were, plus growing serious financial issues that forced them to agree to the modernisation that should have happened 25 years earlier! Even now the big clubs still do their best to stop anything that might threaten their position.
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| Quote: nadera78 " London Broncos have been on a downward spiral for a long time, and the signals coming out from the club are that they've learned nothing.
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Pretty much since the day we left Griffin Park
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| Quote: Rob from Erith "Pretty much since the day we left Griffin Park'"
Griffin Park was an aberration, we have been on the slide since 1999!
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| Quote: We could talk all day about what’s wrong with rugby league and that affected my decision too. It’s a short career and we don’t make vast amounts of money but the segregation of wages in the game is pretty bad and it’s getting worse. "Of course there are good points in the game, perhaps 30 years back may have been the wrong time, but when the Sky money came in for the first time where did that money go? the majority in players high wages, yes they deserved to go higher, but I know many average players who were being paid wages well above their availability. When Sky came on board it was money like the game had never seen before, but did they spend the money on grounds that were many derelict, No!
More Youth playing than ever before, Yes mainly in the South and expansion areas that is not the case in all of the heartlands of the game, yes it is great and I am so pleased about such as Oxford but that is not the opinion of a majority in the North, they are more concerned about their Hunslet's etc
The disaster or serious errors made by those who run the game are such as the Stobart sponsorship, add to that the lack of major sponsorship for such as the Challenge Cup how much do you think a Leeds University pay? crowds growing, but we can't even fill Wembley for a Challenge Cup Final, and look at the crowds for the end of season Mickey Mouse Premiership, did you see the attendance figures last weekend? or the empty terraces all around the stadium in Wigan? Look at the money Union get for their Premiership sponsorship and what BT are talking about for TV coverage £150 million for 4 years!
So yes there are some good points but I don't see the report over the past year being A * plus! and that is the responsibility of those who run the game, the top man being the one to shape the future, sorry but No! that is not the way forward for me.
interesting to see what Bryn Hargreaves says today to the Bradford Argus as he announces his retirement to take a better paid job out of the game.
"We could talk all day about what’s wrong with rugby league and that affected my decision too. It’s a short career and we don’t make vast amounts of money but the segregation of wages in the game is pretty bad and it’s getting worse."
He also spoke out about the licensing system and the infamous Stobart Super League sponsorship deal, for which the clubs did not receive a penny, but instead saw their brands advertised on the side of Eddie Stobart lorries.
He added
Hargreaves is just throwing a few ill thought out hand grenades on his way out of the door. He has taken another job with another organisation. We all do that.
What does he know about the Stobart deal? Do you know what goes on in the boardroom of your company? (Its even higher than that in this instance-the RFL boardroom which is one above the Bulls). He is an end user, no different to a gas fitter working for British Gas. He hasn’t got a clue what is going on other than what he reads in the paper.
Wembley never used to fill to the numbers watching now even in the halcyon days you seem to refer. Not forgetting we have a recession and alternative options now for fans such as the GF, France, London away, Magic weekend. Wembley used to be the one day out a year for us northerners, hence the reputation of it being for all fans. I’ve stood on the terraces at Wilderspool in the rain, with a 3-4000 crowds, in a run down stadium watching semi pros play the game. The game has moved on so much since them days it’s incomparable.
Do some research on Wigan crowds over the years, including Central Park? Look up CC crowds and see if they always got 20K or is this just your fertile imagination strengthening, in your own mind, your argument.
The game can improve but is in great shape than that compared to 30 years ago.
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| Quote: east stander "Do some research on Wigan crowds over the years, including Central Park? Look up CC crowds and see if they always got 20K or is this just your fertile imagination strengthening, in your own mind, your argument.
The game can improve but is in great shape than that compared to 30 years ago.'"
Nothing wrong with my memory, I can assure you "east stander", as a kid I stood on Central Park with 39,000, Station Road with 40,000 plus and even Knowsley Road with 20,000, so please a "fertile imagination"
Of course not everything was perfect with the game back them, players working and then training at night, having to take a day off work for a weekday match at Workington! but I feel currently too many people have got carried away with the title "The Greatest Game"
They may have said back before the introduction of the five tackle rule, that teams stuck the ball up their shirts! but is that really any worse than now kicking the ball dead on the fifth tackle constantly? we mocked union for the kicking in the game, how boring it was!
The deal with Stobart was never a secret document! it was pure desperation to get a sponsor, that made the RFL were look a bunch of idiots in the end!
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| Quote: gutterfax "My bad....7 months into his job he was discussing the change....he's on record as saying...
rlhttps://www.globalsportsjobs.com/content/3640/industry-insight/the-boss-gus-mackay-london-broncos/rl
14-01-11 / Gus Mackay Joins as CEO
22-06-11 / Club announce they are investigating a possible re-brand
10-09-11 / 3,456 Watch the loss to St Helens, securing 12th spot with an average down 8% on 2010
01-11-11 / Club announce a rebrand back to the Broncos name
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OK, thanks for the recap. But I still don't see Gus ... Quote: gutterfax "blaming the team when the re-brand fails'" in all of that.
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| Quote: jaybs "
They may have said back before the introduction of the five tackle rule, that teams stuck the ball up their shirts! but is that really any worse than now kicking the ball dead on the fifth tackle constantly? '"
Yes, I saw it too and it was much much worse.
I believe that Hull hold the record by retaining possession for 78 minutes in a Challenge Cup game, and I remember plenty of attempts to do the same, rendered ineffective only by handling errors. The game was transformed by the introduction of the four tackle rule initially, later modified to six tackles. Never was five.
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