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| Im not saying all Aussie coaches are the best as has been seen at Saints, Reds, Possibly HKR currently
The game is bigger in Aus and seems more advanced- Look at the changes Brown and McGuire have brought about not to mention some of the others that have come in at other clubs. One thing is for sure the defence will improve if nothing else!
What are the options here with UK coaches, Nobby, Kear, Powell, Harrison, Cullen, Ashton, etc not great
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| Quote: wire quin "Im not saying all Aussie coaches are the best as has been seen at Saints, Reds, Possibly HKR currently
The game is bigger in Aus and seems more advanced- Look at the changes Brown and McGuire have brought about not to mention some of the others that have come in at other clubs. One thing is for sure the defence will improve if nothing else!
What are the options here with UK coaches, Nobby, Kear, Powell, Harrison, Cullen, Ashton, etc not great'"
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| Quote: Rascal Bongo Stork "at last! A sign from above! If their review decides that Rob Powell is the man to take us forward then I'll commit hari kari in the middle of the pitch at Eastlands live on Sky.'"
Hope it does not come to that , Like London Bronco's always good craic with London fans when we are down .
BUT if it does could you fit it in between games 1 and 2 on Saturday . One and a half hours between games is going to leave us bored to tears with nothing to do but drink .
Only joking no offence RBS . Hope the season turns round for you guy's.
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| Quote: wire quin "Im not saying all Aussie coaches are the best as has been seen at Saints, Reds, Possibly HKR currently
The game is bigger in Aus and seems more advanced- Look at the changes Brown and McGuire have brought about not to mention some of the others that have come in at other clubs. One thing is for sure the defence will improve if nothing else!
What are the options here with UK coaches, Nobby, Kear, Powell, Harrison, Cullen, Ashton, etc not great'"
Hello WQ. Comment's not directed at you specifically, but I do scratch my head as to why there is a perception that because someone is Australian they are clearly better than someone from blighty re coaching RL.
It's a mindset I personally detest and is deep rooted in our psyche. Time to get rid of it.
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| Quote: Edinburgh Warrior "Hope it does not come to that , Like London Bronco's always good craic with London fans when we are down .
BUT if it does could you fit it in between games 1 and 2 on Saturday . One and a half hours between games is going to leave us bored to tears with nothing to do but drink .
I'll see what I can do!
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| lets look at some recent facts
Potter- Dragons/Saints
Smith/Blu-Leeds
Smith-Wire
McGuire-Pies
Brown-Hudds
Gentle-Hull
Robinson-Dragons
Waite-
On the flip side
Walters-Dragons-Fail
Squinty-Saints-Fail
Mac-Leeds
Nobby-Bulls/Crusaders-Fail at the pies
Kear- Hull/Wakey
Harris- Crusaders
Fatty-Pies
Sandercock-HKR-Jury is out
Its fair to say in general that the Aus coaches tend to improve clubs and take them up the league
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| On the subject of British coaches, watched the Carney interview with Shaun Edwards last night….now there is a guy who has proved himself in the Union game and has not discounted a return to RL in a coaching capacity.
It would seem that he likes being in and living in London, has family in London, has good memories of his time with the Broncos and still keeps an eye on our progress. He has a good mate `John` who is still a Broncos fan…………John, do us all a favour and get him to come along and have a word with David Hughes.
Wouldn`t it be good if once, just once, something fell into place for London and someone of his quality wanted to help make a success of London RL and spread the gospel. He said in the interview that the game of RL needs stars like Tomkins to build the game and pull in new fans in, well the same could be said of the potential impact he could have in making the game a success down south.
It would be oh so easy for him to return to league, no doubt get a slot at Wigan and make a success of it as he would be working with an already winning team. The greater challenge would be for him to recognise where expertise like his is most needed and be part of turning around London`s fortunes and helping the expansion of the game……that could be his legacy to the game.
If he were to get involved with London, be it on a full time or part time basis, it would do so much for the club and RL down south and potentially be the draw needed to attract additional investment in the Broncos.
I know I am only dreaming, but he could do so much for the game and particularly the game down south if he were up for the challenge.
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "Hello WQ. Comment's not directed at you specifically, but I do scratch my head as to why there is a perception that because someone is Australian they are clearly better than someone from blighty re coaching RL.
It's a mindset I personally detest and is deep rooted in our psyche. Time to get rid of it.'"
Well, we could go through all the recent changes from Brit > Aussie or Aussie > Brit and see whether the club improved/declined/maintained. I think we'd see that Brit > Aussie generally improves performances. We also need to remember that the Aussies over here are nowhere near the best pickings; the British coaches are, however, the cream of what our coaching system has to offer.
I too detest the 'Aussie is best' psyche. I think it leads us to prefer some very ordinary players and coaches to better British ones. But, at the very top, the best 12 or so coaches in the world are almost certainly all Aussies - if you genuinely think differently, you'd be able to name the British contenders.
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| A good short term fix for the rest of the season would be Brian Noble. I know that there's a rumour that he's not prepared to take a job that involves a house move, but if it's just to the end of the season he'd only need temporary accomodation (I believe that some of the benches on Richmond Green are quite comfy!).
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| Quote: Under the sticks "On the subject of British coaches, watched the Carney interview with Shaun Edwards last night….now there is a guy who has proved himself in the Union game and has not discounted a return to RL in a coaching capacity.
It would seem that he likes being in and living in London, has family in London, has good memories of his time with the Broncos and still keeps an eye on our progress. He has a good mate `John` who is still a Broncos fan…………John, do us all a favour and get him to come along and have a word with David Hughes.
Wouldn`t it be good if once, just once, something fell into place for London and someone of his quality wanted to help make a success of London RL and spread the gospel. He said in the interview that the game of RL needs stars like Tomkins to build the game and pull in new fans in, well the same could be said of the potential impact he could have in making the game a success down south.
It would be oh so easy for him to return to league, no doubt get a slot at Wigan and make a success of it as he would be working with an already winning team. The greater challenge would be for him to recognise where expertise like his is most needed and be part of turning around London`s fortunes and helping the expansion of the game……that could be his legacy to the game.
If he were to get involved with London, be it on a full time or part time basis, it would do so much for the club and RL down south and potentially be the draw needed to attract additional investment in the Broncos.
I know I am only dreaming, but he could do so much for the game and particularly the game down south if he were up for the challenge.'"
I watched this as well and was amazed he wasnt offered any sort of coaching role when he first retired. i know a few years abck when we were looking for a coach he was meant to have said something about him and i think it was Gilly taking over as coaches and could do a good job of it,and the rumour was he rubbed Tony Rea up the wrong way by saying this in the press and not to him or the club.
At least he down went to Aus on more then one occasion to learn more on coaching and worked with Wayne Bennett and they are still good mates (now theres a contact for when scouting players). Yes i know it was a few years ago but he has become a far better coach since then and you only have to look at what he has done with not only the Wasps defence but the Welsh too.
Its just a shame when he left Wasps that Wales are going on a tour down to Aus, as he might have been free for a couple of weeks to have a word and look at what we doing in defence training to improve it.
And before anyone says, yes i know hes going to London Irish so might not have been around anyway.
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| Quote: The Chronicler of Chiswic "A good short term fix for the rest of the season would be Brian Noble. I know that there's a rumour that he's not prepared to take a job that involves a house move, but if it's just to the end of the season he'd only need temporary accomodation (I believe that some of the benches on Richmond Green are quite comfy!).'"
I heard he commuted to Wrexham, don't feel he would do that to London, he could do a job and bring some stability and be used in PR exercises.
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| Quote: Colly2 "I too detest the 'Aussie is best' psyche. I think it leads us to prefer some very ordinary players and coaches to better British ones. But, at the very top, the best 12 or so coaches in the world are almost certainly all Aussies - if you genuinely think differently, you'd be able to name the British contenders.'"
If I followed the game back home, I'd have some chance about thinking differently. But I don't. I just look out for our results these days.
Besides how does one quantify if someone's a good coach? By results? Has Stephen Kearney become a shıt coach after helping Melbourne win premierships over the years and win a 4 nations with NZ? Afterall, his team are bottom. Or Ivan Cleary who was an assistant under Ricky Stuart when helping the Roosters make 3 consecutive Grand Finals and winning one Premisership, also taking the Warriors to last year's GF? Is he now a shıt coach? His team are second from bottom afterall.
Aussies do not learn more. They have no super powers, they don't know much different. They have no magic wand. Because internationally they have beaten us often over a series for decades, the richer clubs looked to their best players and coaches and signed them. A bit like they did with our best in the early 70s. They still produce great players. Back home we still sign them. The aussies must be best thing is very frustrating. Moreso when you work in the game over here and hear about there being no real difference in the games, the technique, the sports science, coaching. etc. etc.
I think also having been blessed with the opportunity to be involved in the machinations of clubs over here. I empathise with the club and its staff as some of the things that get said on here are pure fantasy and utter bolloçks. Everyone's jacked off with them and it's understandable because of what's happening on and off the field as to why they're being said, but some of the comments are laughable.
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| Quote: Put a mirror at the bottom of your bed and wake up to yourself "Powell, at 31 the youngest coach in Super League by some distance, says he is as keen as his chairman to unearth the reasons for the under-performance of his team and is happy to play his part in the review.
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Tony Currie had the perfect answer for these situations. "Put a mirror at the bottom of your bed and wake up to yourself "
While David is asking the tough questions maybe he can ask Gus to show just what the hell he has achieved? Stones / Glass Houses anyone?
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| Quote: assistant "Besides how does one quantify if someone's a good coach? By results? Has Stephen Kearney become a shıt coach after helping Melbourne win premierships over the years and win a 4 nations with NZ?'"
He was a No 2 at the Storm behind a great coach with what turned out to be a great No 3(McGuire). With NZ he has been clever enough to bring in the best coach thats ever coached RL as an "assistant". Being a No 1 is different. He may not have the managerial capacity to do it(which is the gamble ie Walters at Catalans etc). Although only one example, look at what Noble and McGuire did at Wigan with the same (ish) resources(players)
They do learn more because the game is bigger in Aus than it is here. Football coaches in UK will learn more about football than lets say Iceland. Thats because more is invested into the science & infrastructure amongst other areas of the game.
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