Anyway going back to the subject of Quins going under I personally hope the club come through this as RL needs a presence in the capital plus can't Quins RU not help you guys through this situation.

Homer, Its quite clear that being located in the capital, the only club for miles with a catchment area for support bigger than the rest of the league put together is at a huge advantage compared with say, Cas, a town down on its luck since the early 80s with high unemployment and a population of only 40 thousand who have to compete with Leeds, Wakefield, Bradford, Huddersfield for support, not to mention the Championship clubs like Featherstone, but who even when in NL1 were attracting better support than you. You might think you're clever trying to score some minor point but the fact is that the your club is not pulling its weight and there's no-one to blame but yourselves.

Unfortunately, the awful attendances that Quins attract are not sufficient to sustain the club, particularly if/when they have to pay rent for their home ground. If DH pulls out, the club are screwed.

marketed right with a clear vision of the end result Quins Rl could be very sucessful. Look at the union mob. They have grew their crowds massively these last few years from less than Ours are.

The club have had since 1980, what makes you think Quins could improve in the near future despite thirty years of failure?

What minor point? read your first post back, entirely different subject to one of attendances............to help..........it costs more to live in London and the home counties than it does in Castleford, so yeah if we have to abide by a cap, any London club should have a small dispensation [same as london weighting] to assist players with living costs............so it matters not one iota whether there are 3000 or 30000 in the stadium, we can still only spend up to the cap.

Player A from a northern club is valued at £80k
We offer him £80k as do Cas.
He knows in real terms his 80k is worth closer to £72k in spending terms down South.
Is that fair?

In essence agree, but how many of those 30 years have had any stability of tenure? so is it the club at fault of the general public for not buying into the sport?

I don't blame the club at all, selling RL in a non-heartland area is the definition of an impossible job.

We agree, but for the first time in our history we have some stability of tenure, a rather solid belief in a youth development system, and the opportunity to break the sport into the psyche of the surrounding town[s], note not London as that is akin to asking the Tigers to become the only club in Yorkshire and be supported as such by all from Hull westwards.

Whether deep in Union territory is a good or bad thing for this to take root is another question but I will stick by my own fact that we need at least 2 decades in the one place for it to even begin to work, the question is how do we get those 2 decades without external support?

I would normally be pretty happy about being proved right, but this is just depressing.

Simple facts are that DH can't afford to prop the club up any longer, so 1.5 million has to be trimmed off the operational costs. Community team....gone. Sorry, but if the RFL want to develop the game down here, then pick up the tab.
Re-negotiate the rent with the Union lot. If they get 400k a year from us, then squeeze them. They won't want that to become a hole in their finances.
Trim the back office. Do we really need a General Manager? What has he done so far apart from getting a hotel and an SMS marketing firm on our shirts? Sack the marketing team and employ an agency. Use the saved wages as a retainer and pay a bounty on every new fan they attract.

Run with the local talent......big name signings haven't attracted fans in the past...why would they now.

It is depressing and somewhat annoying that it has come to this........it's not like they couldn't see it coming.

Homer Cas can't spend anywhere near the cap, we haven't a sugar daddy ploughing 1.5 million quid a year into the club, and don't get an advantage in the franchise applications for being 20 miles from the nearest club. Is that fair? I'm well aware of the expenses issue- I live in the South- but I really think giving Quins some sort of special dispensation to spend over the cap is taking the mickey, and its not the answer to your club's failings.
I'd be delighted to see Quins making a go of it but not at another clubs' expense.

Do you attend Quins games out of interest? You are obviously one of the 1,000,000 people that the RFL have told Quins Marketing manager live in the south and are interested in League.

agrred
...no shi7 sherlock
I believe that the Championship beckons for London RL.......as long as you get bricks in place by next summer, Castleford and Wakey will be safe.

More of a London allowance, such as they have in the NHS and multinational companies that operate throughout the country. They recognise that it costs more to live in and around London. I say we should deal with that when Quins begin to spend anywhere remotely towards the cap, even then I say tough, deal with it, one rule for all.

Comments like this make me sick! I am london born guy, 28 and have loved rugby league since I first saw it on sky when I was 11. Rugby League is not a southern sport just like it isnt a northern sport. Rugby League is a worldwide sport, your narrow mindness does nothing to get rid of the sterotypes we all as Rugby League see on a regular basis.

I for one do not want to see Super League just contain the M62 clubs. This great game has to expand. Harlequins RL, Catalan, Crusaders are great for the sport and competition.

Do you get comments like yours from people in NSW and Brisbane when people talk about NRL expansion into New Zealand, Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth.

I really hope not!

The only positive to come from Quins going bust would be watching the expressions on the flatcappers faces when Sky reduce the TV contract and the RFL throw two or three heartlands clubs overboard so that they can reduce SL to a 10-12 team competition and share what funds remain between those clubs. Even then the only positive would be a spiteful 'I told you this would happen'. Without a doubt I think that if Quins go bust, we might see a handful of M62 clubs follow come 2012.