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The fact that they have added 3,205 fans ON AVERAGE so far would point to them doing something right.'"
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Winning for a start. When we were at the Stoop in 97 we were winning and the crowds were really starting to come in. Huddersfield have started on fire this year for a start, I'm sure this is not the only reason by a long shot. Also back then Barry Maranta was a good friend of Mr Murdoch but would still spend hours on the phone drumming up stories and spending a LOT of his own cash to advertise in the Sun etc. Hell I even had to find a cow in London for Mick Seaby to wrestle for a story! Barry was always looking for a unique angle or story to try to wet the appetite of the sports editors. And he wasn't afraid to let the truth get in the way of a good story. Thank goodness we couldn't find the crocodile for Gavin Allen to wrestle..........

With link with St.Marys do they offer cheap tickets etc? As for the regional meetings, I attended a number of them. Can't say they were productive in getting extra bums on seats but good PR never the less.

David Hughes asked me just before I left the club if I thought it would ever succeed? My honest answer was not unless they won a trophy or moved it to an area with a great community spirit (unfortunetly my suggested areas were not in London)! To me it is like the pebble in the pond. Start real local and then try to move out. Apart from the really enthusiastic what reason do they have to travel every week if your team are losing at home. I know that I was born and bred in St.Helens and I am still called a traitor by my mates there but London will always be my team and I just wish I had the answers, along with anyone who has ever been connected with the club.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: The Penguin "How much does a full-page ad in one of the London freesheets cost, anyone know?'"

The London Paper publish a Page for "£18,850" and lite say a page is "£17,640"
Both recently reported a 30% increase in space sales but refused to publish their revenue figures. This points to them being on their @rses as they are having to give space away (IMO).
Let's face it, Metro (£27,989 for London Only))is a paper being read on the way into work and a fair few copies end up on office desk and are re-read at lunchtime...whilst the other 2 are read on the way home and left on the train at the journey's end........
Not sure of the benefit of blowing even half these rate card amounts on tomorrows chip wrappers..........
Interestingly, all of these papers will have pretty empty sports sections between July 4th (end of lions tour) and August 15th (start of wendyball)....I wonder what sports we will see championed during those 6 weeks?

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Quote: Nudenut "Winning for a start. When we were at the Stoop in 97 we were winning and the crowds were really starting to come in. Huddersfield have started on fire this year..........

Apart from the really enthusiastic what reason do they have to travel every week if your team are losing at home. '"


Absolutely spot on...........and there lies the problem. Unless we can field a team who can perform well week-in, week-out (and by this I mean winning our home games, reaching the play-off`s and proving we are no longer a bunch of also rans) we will always struggle to build up a following, regardless of the amount of funds and effort thrown at marketing. Fans/potential fans who have attended over the years have become used to a cycle of inconsistent performances and will need some convincing that things can change......we will only add numbers on the gate if we can make a habit of winning at home.

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Local professional football clubs are offering free attendance for all U16 over easter and one semi professional club U16s free for the rest of the seasong (3 home games).

This is what QRL are up against. Not only that trying to get round the M25 tomorrow night for the Cats will be interesting.

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Blimey what`s happened at the BBC?........the sports website actually mentions our Thursday night game icon_eek.gif ......I need to go and lie down for a while fever.gif

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I left the club after seventeen years because I was sick of being treated badly by certain members of staff and because I despaired of the club ever really making any headway.

It took a great deal of soul-searching for me to walk away as the club had been a big part of my life for a long time. God, I even wore the gold Broncos tie-pin in my suit lapel at occasions all over the place! I came to the conclusion that the club would continue to plod along as it would always survive its occasional financial crises but that London as a connurbation was indifferent to rugby league in general and professional RL in particular. Add to this indifference that the club has never made a penny in profit and has been under-capitalised for significant portions of its chequered existance and you can see why it's in the state it is. It attempts to fight with one hand tied behind its back.

Ultimately only a sustained and large spend - particularly in marketing, advertising etc - and being in a position to challenge for honours will make a difference. Do I think it will work? Not unless things change big-time but I doubt that will happen so no. London as a city is sold on football mostly with anything else playing second fiddle (if it's lucky). Sorry to be so pessimistic but the thing doesn't work and probably never will...

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Quote: gutterfax "..
Interestingly, all of these papers will have pretty empty sports sections between July 4th (end of lions tour) and August 15th (start of wendyball)....I wonder what sports we will see championed during those 6 weeks?'"


Ashes Tour

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I dont know nothing about marketing or would pretend too.

But on the Hudd's matter and their crowds. I think i read and all so im sure it was reported on Boots 'n' All as well. That the Hudd's owner who also owns the Football team as well put his money in to offering deals for Football and Rugby season ticket deals at very reduced rates, something like a 99 pound season ticket. but dont know all the details on it. Plus and again im not sure if they did what we did a couple of seasons ago of kids under 16 get free season tickets if Adult buys one.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: hindyscrack "Ashes Tour'"

I rest my case! Waited for a nibble and along you come icon_wink.gif
The Ashes.........YES...a mighty plus to win, but let's face it, Australia ain't what they were and England are what they normally are.......crap.
So, what we have is 100,000 odd (I GO TO GAMES)London based soccer fans who will either jump on the other 11 a side bandwagon, or will point the figure and say "I can't understand why Roy of the Rovers bothered with cricket" icon_cool.gif
IF the club are going to attempt to get fans through the door, then the 6 week period I alluded to is perfect. Not only is the sporting "action" thin on the ground, so are punters and media traditionally offer "deals" during the holiday period.
As for a winning team......we have played 3, won 2 and lost 1 in a close finish (that we should have won) IN SUPERLEAGUE.....not exactly a losing streak. The CC was unfortunate, but Huddersfield v St Helens in the final would have a different outcome to last time.......Hudds are no mugs!
Let's just up pegs and leave it then shall we. As I pointed out, we have a 40+ age group as fans...........so let's just buy our Harlequins Carpet slippers and shuffle off icon_rolleyes.gif
I would love to see the BUSINESS PLAN that the company have icon_cool.gif...I doubt it would take too long to read...especially the marketing section

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Paddock Punter "PB has been in the job for what 3 weeks!!!! Hardly likely to put a 1000 on the gate in that time is he. Printed media ain't interested in RL - Sunday Times yesterday had NOTHING (other than the results) of the CC - even with the massive Leeds Saints game to preview.'"

True. The apathy is patently obvious, so let's not bother. I am sure if we all collectively shrug our shoulders then by 2012 Ass-Ociation Football will be the only sport in the UK......and Union will be allowed on holidays, because the Editors of most papers were bu99ered in Public School by the U11 first XV coach icon_rolleyes.gif
Not having a pop at you PP......just responding to the apathy that seems to run through long term fans of the club as well as the club itself.
I choose to be a Harlequins RL fan and therefore, I chose to take the rough with the rougher, but I am not alone in being close to the edge. There are plenty of fans (some on here, most not) who have raised concerns regarding ticketing, only to be pretty much ignored by the club in general. We used to be a club, but we are now a business (ie...the customer has no say), so why should we be expected to keep coming back?
Discontent over ticketing, stewarding, kick-off times, marketing and the seating of home fans where they don't want to be.....does it get any better than this?

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"Yep.....because Easter Monday getting back to TW2 at 10.30pm has failed hasn't it"

Don't be silly - that can be included in a Sat/Sun afternoon game. God knows what route you are taking to be back at 10.30. We were back from Hudds in a minibus that was restricted to 62 mph at 10!

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Two good wins over Easter and the world will look a lot better, two defeats and it will be a long summer.

To quote Nietzsche " If you look into the darkness long enough, it will start looking into you".

Please every have a bit of balance there are a lot of clubs that would be happy with our position in the league, but not many would be happy with our crowds.

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Quote: gutterfax "


Yep.....because Easter Monday getting back to TW2 at 10.30pm has failed hasn't it
Point Paddock was making was that it only works weekends/bank hols. which the cardiff coach backs up

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Quote: gutterfax "As for a winning team......we have played 3, won 2 and lost 1 in a close finish (that we should have won) IN SUPERLEAGUE.....not exactly a losing streak. The CC was unfortunate, but Huddersfield v St Helens in the final would have a different outcome to last time.......Hudds are no mugs!
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Not sure if this is a response to my earlier comments, but you are only refering to performances so far this season........it will take a good deal longer to change the mind set of fans past and present, that we now have a team/set up which can mount a serious challenge each season. If we go well for the remainder of the season, feature in the play-offs, finish higher than normal in the table and win the bulk of our home games, we might well attract some new supporters and regain some of our lost support by the end of the year. It`s no good being blinkered to the fact our mediocrity in recent years has had a detrimental impact on crowd numbers.

Of course performance on the pitch is not the sole answer and good marketing is also required, but marketing in itself is not going to drag the punters in and get them returning on a regular basis.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Paddock Punter ""Yep.....because Easter Monday getting back to TW2 at 10.30pm has failed hasn't it"

Don't be silly - that can be included in a Sat/Sun afternoon game. God knows what route you are taking to be back at 10.30. We were back from Hudds in a minibus that was restricted to 62 mph at 10!'"

Sorry...wasn't having a go at you. (as I said)
The point with coaches is that Saturday and Sunday KO's are the the only ones that have a chance of getting a crew together. Bank Holiday monday the same.....
It really doesn't matter....the company have stated that this is year zero as far as they are concerned and yet, we are going backwards when it comes to crowds. Yes, we have 3 years, but as I KEEP ON SAYING.....the long game isn't working and given we are at year zero.....we should be SHOUTING and not murmering about what's on offer.
As for results? I fail to see the relevance? We had bigger gates at GP as the Broncos and our top 5/6 finish in 2003 or 2005 didn't (wasn't capitilised on) really make any difference......
Sorry......but from being called a mouthpeice I am now being questioned about the validity of my posts. I have reverted to type by posting problems with potential solutions and yet still I get told to give the club time? How much time do you/they want?

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