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Aren't all RL Clubs rich mens toys? With the exception of Leeds possibly.The Hull KR board (just the one season so far in Champ) reportedly costing them £1 million a season not being in SL.
Our own owner DB was pitching in £50k per month prior to SL in order to keep us afloat,and still throwing money at it.

All investments will never see a return. 30k wouldn't pay the wage bill for a month.So who pays the rest?

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Quote: atomic "Aren't all RL Clubs rich mens toys? With the exception of Leeds possibly.The Hull KR board (just the one season so far in Champ) reportedly costing them £1 million a season not being in SL.
Our own owner DB was pitching in £50k per month prior to SL in order to keep us afloat,and still throwing money at it.

All investments will never see a return. 30k wouldn't pay the wage bill for a month.So who pays the rest?'"


Indeed they are. Warrington and St Helens being more successful examples. More income from fans but somewhere along the line someone is covering the gap.

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So call me dog! What do you suggest

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You have done it now !!!

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Bosty, am just interested to know what dog means when he suggests "ripping the plaster off"

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke "Bosty, am just interested to know what dog means when he suggests "ripping the plaster off"'"


Currently the club operates on a budget of whatever the cheque writer says he can afford and little else. Without him, the club would have to fend for itself and that's what it needs to do if it is ever survive in the long term.

I could wax on about "missed opportunities" and "insane appointments to key roles" but the reality is that whilst there is the safety net of our benefactor, the club will never improve in the areas it needs to, such as the business side of things.

Great strides are being made on the pitch and for the time being, ETF is a tidy ground which is more than adequate but if we hadn't dropped the Ball v Fev, there's a very good chance we would have been playing the French for a place back in SL and then ETF wouldn't have been fit for purpose, so we'd be off again. I disliked the Hive and I actually like Trailfinders, but The Hive is the type of ground we should be playing at with a capacity that we should attempt to fill.....not 300/400 home fans of which half are regulars.

Toronto (it's early days there) have achieved more in 1 short season than we have under the 12 year tenure of our current benefactor. They have done this because Perez and the backers have set themselves targets...they are all over the media, social media,constantly banging on about how the Greatest Game is exactly that.....I don't know if they'l still exist in 10 years time, but I do know they won't die wondering!

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The reality is without a cheque writer the club would not exist.
So correct me if I am wrong, yr sticking plaster approach is Dave Hughes stops paying the bills!

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke "The reality is without a cheque writer the club would not exist.
So correct me if I am wrong, yr sticking plaster approach is Dave Hughes stops paying the bills!'"

Correct.
The Club on life support is no club at all......it's a toy that will be cast aside when the current owner is dead or broke..

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I'm not sure if you have seen but there are rumours of a potential NY 'franchise'. My hope, small I accept, is that the game begins to get a wider profile and someone sees the potential of a London comes in for The Broncos. There is no question a well managed London club has to be the important franchise for the RFL if expansion is what they aspire to.

Did anyone see Backchat last week? They suggested Melbourne an expansion club in ARL territory was the most successful RL club ever.

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Far from this wider approach to Rugby League. Super League has a good chance this season. To Gary Schofields delight. To revert to the M62 corridor, if Catalan get to and lose the Million pound Game. What good will that do for the sport.

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CMG you are quite right about the position the club is in, being totally reliant on the benevolence of David Hughes. From what I am told, David Hughes was very upset by the performance of the team at Hull KR. If as it looks we do not get the promotion to Super League that he wishes, will he throw his toys out of the pram. I wonder? It would not be for the first time.
I appreciate that David Hughes bankrolls the club. I am grateful that he does. However the man, is like us all. Not getting any younger. If he loves the club as he surely must. You would expect that he would wish to club to continue and thrive after his departure. I do not know, he may have a plan, I suspect he has not.
Now is the time to either look around for someone similar to himself to come in and at least get involved with an aim to taking over. Or work with the supporters, which is something the club has failed to do so far.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Bostwick " Or work with the supporters, which is something the club has failed to do so far.'"

Where do I start......? Nah, I've got too many T-shirts already.
All that has been achieved by the current owner in 12 years is demise....long, slow, draw out death and the vast majority of it is down to his ego and failure to accept he can make mistakes. We should never of left TW2.....the RFL for their part should have let Lenagan remain as a part owner, but the appointment of a coach who was untried and a CEO who should be tried!!!!! Dealt us a losing hand that the cheque writer was in denial about until it was too late.
Northern Bloke asked by the way.....I really wasn't here to open old wounds. I love the clubs' new feel of "vibrancy" but it's no longer a professional outfit....just a well run pub team with a wealthy bloke buying the kit and a diminishing number of fans each year......sad that the likes of Paddock now spend their time (and money) going to Catalans.....but it's easy to blame/ban the likes of me and my negativity and not debate the root cause of the problem!

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call me dog! And yr point is?

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: northernbloke "call me dog! And yr point is?'"

Hughes to leave. Simple....I've said it for years and 3,000+ have agreed by walking away. He needs to deposit X amount and say "when it's gone, it's gone"....let the club learn what the Skolars have known for years. Sport is a business and staying afloat as a rich mans toy will never end well....

That's my point and always has been! The club will never flourish under the current management style....

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



northernbloke.....did I stutter?
You asked, I responded and now you've gone schtum?

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